This is to go with the seat belt post.
Back in the 20's races car's were just braking 100 mph and there were no seat belts or roll cages. Every year drivers were getting killed, so there was talk about adding seat belts and roll bars to the cars. The purest / old timers didn't want anything to do with them in any way, you were weak and shouldn't be driving a race car if you thought you should have them. After all it is a dangerous sport. A couple decapitated heads later, the rule was applied. With the "technology of today" (composite bats) the cars are running over 230 mph, and there isn't a driver out there that will get in a car without a seat belt or roll cage. I personally know race car drivers that are thankful the rule was adopted and are living today because of them.
As the girls get bigger, stronger, train harder and the technology of the equipment gets better, safety will and has to go with it.
If we were to go back to truly SOFT balls, aluminum or better yet wood bats you certainly wouldn't need a mask! We all know this will never happen! Simple fact is one day our kids will be required to use them, insurance companies will make sure they do.
FYI, my kid uses a mask. My choice!
TX
If all parents used the common sense of NeverHere, we would NeverHear (pun intended) of having to have this rule as the masks would already be utilized by the choice of the parent.
Unfortunately, as we have seen on this thread, there are parents that do not utilze this common sense and others have to think for them. Some even let their child make the decision for them.
Unfortunately, as we have seen on this thread, there are parents that do not utilze this common sense and others have to think for them. Some even let their child make the decision for them.
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That's why I said I can accept that argument. There isn't data either way to look at. I've seen stories published on increase in overuse injuries in pitchers, but never one on facial injuries. I'm guessing if JAMA had a story like that the face mask sellers would link it to their websites.
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Here is one stat...researching for others. Keep in mind, this was BEFORE the new technology we have with bats today.
In its most recent report, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC CPSC Consumer Product Safety Commission (US)
CPSC Computer Science (course)
CPSC Canadian Plastics Sector Council (Ottawa, ON, Canada)
CPSC Chemical Processing Safety Committee ) in 1991 reported that more than 100,000 cases of facial trauma occurred in children younger than 14 years while they participated in sports activities. [1] In private practice, we have found that the number of nasal injuries incurred during youth softball softball, variant of baseball played with a larger ball on a smaller field.
In its most recent report, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC CPSC Consumer Product Safety Commission (US)
CPSC Computer Science (course)
CPSC Canadian Plastics Sector Council (Ottawa, ON, Canada)
CPSC Chemical Processing Safety Committee ) in 1991 reported that more than 100,000 cases of facial trauma occurred in children younger than 14 years while they participated in sports activities. [1] In private practice, we have found that the number of nasal injuries incurred during youth softball softball, variant of baseball played with a larger ball on a smaller field.
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From the Ear, Nose and Throat Journal, August 2000
Abstract
We conducted a survey of physician members of the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery to determine the incidence and nature of facial traumas seen in their practices. We solicited information on the anatomic location of each injury, the severity of the trauma, and whether the injury occurred during a sports activity. According to the responses, 21% of facial fractures and 29% of nasal fractures were experienced by patients aged 17 years and younger who were participating in sports. We believe that many such injuries can be prevented with greater use of protective equipment.
Introduction
Despite the use of protective gear, the incidence of sports-related facial trauma among children remains significant. In its most recent report, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) in 1991 reported that more than 100,000 cases of facial trauma occurred in children younger than 14 years while they participated in sports activities. [1] In private practice, we have found that the number of nasal injuries incurred during youth softball games is surprisingly high, particularly among female pitchers who are hit by a batted ball.
Abstract
We conducted a survey of physician members of the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery to determine the incidence and nature of facial traumas seen in their practices. We solicited information on the anatomic location of each injury, the severity of the trauma, and whether the injury occurred during a sports activity. According to the responses, 21% of facial fractures and 29% of nasal fractures were experienced by patients aged 17 years and younger who were participating in sports. We believe that many such injuries can be prevented with greater use of protective equipment.
Introduction
Despite the use of protective gear, the incidence of sports-related facial trauma among children remains significant. In its most recent report, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) in 1991 reported that more than 100,000 cases of facial trauma occurred in children younger than 14 years while they participated in sports activities. [1] In private practice, we have found that the number of nasal injuries incurred during youth softball games is surprisingly high, particularly among female pitchers who are hit by a batted ball.
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Spazdad:
So what? You want your DD to be one that is hit in the face that is not a batter? I bet those parents of those videos I posted wish they had used common sense and had their daughter wear a mask. Time to pull your head out of the sand and put the girls first. Oh yeah...you think that is a lame argument as well.
Are you really going to put parent rights over protecting the girls in a GAME? If so, you are the very parent I am focusing on when I say others have to think for those who do not use any common sense! No "right" is worth putting your DD who plays 1st, P or 3rd through the pain, and possible life loss, because of you being so stubborn as to refuse to acknowledge the need of something as simple as a face mask.
Hoping your DD never has to suffer as a result of your poor decision.
So what? You want your DD to be one that is hit in the face that is not a batter? I bet those parents of those videos I posted wish they had used common sense and had their daughter wear a mask. Time to pull your head out of the sand and put the girls first. Oh yeah...you think that is a lame argument as well.
Are you really going to put parent rights over protecting the girls in a GAME? If so, you are the very parent I am focusing on when I say others have to think for those who do not use any common sense! No "right" is worth putting your DD who plays 1st, P or 3rd through the pain, and possible life loss, because of you being so stubborn as to refuse to acknowledge the need of something as simple as a face mask.
Hoping your DD never has to suffer as a result of your poor decision.
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Spazsdad wrote:If you can force your way to read the whole article here are some points:
Over a 5year period
767 facial injuries reported from the survey
42% were sports related equaling 322 incidents
17% where female equaling 54 incidents
23% of those where from baseball and softball equaling 12 incidents.
It goes on to say the majority of injuries were to batters.
It also goes on to state in the past 2 decades, the incidence and severity of facial trauma from all causes have steadily declined, and only 12% of all injuries are sports related.
Hardly and epidemic and I do not ascribe to the theory that if it saves one it is worth it. So I leave my argument at "leave it up to the individual"
Flame on
So in your opinion if 12 out of 100 girls suffer facial damage because a parent, such as yourself, will not make them wear face protection, for whatever reason, then that is OKAY!!!! That is as long as it is not your daughter that gets hurt.
I really feel sorry for you and I really hope and pray your dd never gets hurt because I don't know if you could live with yourself knowing you could have prevented it.
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