wadeintothem wrote:Skarp wrote:Nzane, you haven't made a single even remotely compelling argument for why it is okay to let your kid listen to that crap. Let me ask a question. What does it add to her life? What value does it bring?
Before I'm going to allow potentially harmful influences into my kids' lives, there better be a corresponding benefit that outweighs the risk of harm. So again I ask, what is the benefit? There is none.
What I"m hearing from you is that if she likes it, she shouldn't be denied it. That might be true of completely harmless privileges, but this doesn't qualify. It is a little too coincidental that the ghetto values permeating our culture have been accompanied by soaring teen pregnancy, illiteracy, institutionalized poverty, wanton violence, intrepersonal and intergenerational disrespect, materialism, selfishness, etc., etc. That "music" is both a product of and a contributor to the downward spiral.
And if you think that mass messaging isn't effective, you're dreaming. It's highly effective, as anyone in the multi-billion dollar advertisement and entertainment businesses will tell you. These entertainers are selling a lifestyle--and a value system--through their personalities, personal exploits, and lyrics. They and the industry promoting them are vested in them being "cool," because that's how they sell their product.
So if the concept of Supermanning Hoes is something you are comfortable with your daughter grooving to and, more significantly, believing is mainstream, I feel sorry for you. And that's really what we are talking about...mainstreaming the worst elements of ghetto culture. The fact that you have no problem with it merely shows how successful that mainstreaming has been.
Proof ignorance is bliss....
And I say that as the father of an 18 y/o girl, not umpire or anything else.. normal guy...
I dont know if you are trying to just limit it to perhaps just oral activities instead of the full act with her bf's by the time shes 16 or so by the MISTAKEN belief you are in control of the music because the 28 mins shes sitting with you, she doesnt get to listen to it..
But your day of redemption will not be pretty I'm sure.
Uh...say what? That you were speaking as the father your own kid goes without saying (

), because you haven't the faintest clue about mine.
Anyway, I'm not saying that my daughter hasn't heard the stuff. And I'm not saying that i can control access, either inadvertent or purposeful, to everything at all times. But the fact that i have been
very clear about my disapprobation of certain types of content has left my kids with a clear understanding of what their father condones and what he does not. I've drawn a bright line between right and wrong...and that line is a point of reference that they have even when I'm not around. If your kid was blowing the football team at age 16, maybe that has something to do with your failure to provide a similar reference point.
I'm just sayin'...