anonlooker wrote:Then goes on to suggest that "it" is available if you marry her. All well and good until you consider that marriage for the sake of sex hardly forms the cornerstone for a long lasting union. (Divorce lawyers must love this song!)
REALLY wrote:I think the point which has been made over and over again in this thread and at the same time is being missed is this:
We will never be able to prevent them from hearing, or listening to this type of music
We as children listened to very similar music different lyrics but same undertones.
Then: My Dad and Mom caught me listening to Too live Crew, Motley crew, Too Short, EZ E etc... and I was in for a world of hurt. Becasue they cared and I knew it was wrong but rebeled like any teen would but deep inside I knew it was wrong, adn listened in fear.
Now: The parental hands off approach of my kid can do what they want, I can't control them etc.. "I turned out Ok" will teach them that there are no consequences.

wadeintothem wrote:Skarp wrote:Nzane, you haven't made a single even remotely compelling argument for why it is okay to let your kid listen to that crap. Let me ask a question. What does it add to her life? What value does it bring?
Before I'm going to allow potentially harmful influences into my kids' lives, there better be a corresponding benefit that outweighs the risk of harm. So again I ask, what is the benefit? There is none.
What I"m hearing from you is that if she likes it, she shouldn't be denied it. That might be true of completely harmless privileges, but this doesn't qualify. It is a little too coincidental that the ghetto values permeating our culture have been accompanied by soaring teen pregnancy, illiteracy, institutionalized poverty, wanton violence, intrepersonal and intergenerational disrespect, materialism, selfishness, etc., etc. That "music" is both a product of and a contributor to the downward spiral.
And if you think that mass messaging isn't effective, you're dreaming. It's highly effective, as anyone in the multi-billion dollar advertisement and entertainment businesses will tell you. These entertainers are selling a lifestyle--and a value system--through their personalities, personal exploits, and lyrics. They and the industry promoting them are vested in them being "cool," because that's how they sell their product.
So if the concept of Supermanning Hoes is something you are comfortable with your daughter grooving to and, more significantly, believing is mainstream, I feel sorry for you. And that's really what we are talking about...mainstreaming the worst elements of ghetto culture. The fact that you have no problem with it merely shows how successful that mainstreaming has been.
Proof ignorance is bliss....
And I say that as the father of an 18 y/o girl, not umpire or anything else.. normal guy...
I dont know if you are trying to just limit it to perhaps just oral activities instead of the full act with her bf's by the time shes 16 or so by the MISTAKEN belief you are in control of the music because the 28 mins shes sitting with you, she doesnt get to listen to it..
But your day of redemption will not be pretty I'm sure.
Nzane wrote:There are not many "bad" songs on her Ipod. She's let me listen to it. It's probably 10-1, and prolly less than that. But, I not gonna censor it. You talk about "Ghetto Culture". I wont even say anything about that comment.
But, you do say the "Ghetto Culture" is a factor in many things, including teen pregnancy. It's not from the music. I'll give you an example. When I was 16, I knew a 15 year old girl. Very cute. Dad was VERY protective. No rated R movies, no phone calls to boys, when I went to visit her, we couldnt even leave the driveway. She was into sports, and had good grades. Well, let me tell you. I snuck into her room at 2am. I wont get into specifics. But, 4 of my other friend also snuck into her room, all on different nights. She became pregnant at 17. My point is, you CAN be overprotective, and cause even a good kid to snap, or do "bad".
I dont wanna fight with you on this, but I just think, to a point, let your kid have a mind of their own....
Coach11 wrote: wife and I each have cousins that were raised in very strict over protective households. I'm not talking about their parents having monitered what TV/movies they watched, and what music they listened to....I'm talking about what they were permitted to watch and listen to. Both very strict christian households.....both attended private catholic schools.
Both, were the only ones in either family to have children out of wedlock.
The only one of my close friends from my youth to attend an all boys private school, is also the only one still drinking and snorting like a rock star at 44 yrs. old.
All that said....it's still unnacceptable to blast any music while game sare being played.

REALLY wrote: bad parenting is bad parenting regardless of methods used