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[NumeroUno]

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[hotwheels]

happy friday
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I haven't seen that before...Hilarious!

[Trophy Hunter]

Christianity isn't any better, you're right, but that doesn't make Islam peaceful by any stretch. You could argue that one is more violent than the other, but the fact is that both are responsible for unconscionable suffering throughout history.

At their root and in their teachings they are both peaceful- many of their teachings are similar since Islam followed a tradition of the other two Abrahamic religions. Throughout history- people have hijacked or misinterpreted teachings of each religion to do some pretty horrible things. I just don't agree with condemning an entire religion based on the actions of a few.

Religious leaders have interpreted the "teachings" (i.e. used religion) to consolidate and expand their wealth, territory, and power. People are merely subservient to religious authority, (by design - it is the purpose of religion) and thus become the expendable tools of destruction and conquest. You can say the "teachings" are peaceful, but the interpretations have never been.

[jonriv]

J/R,
Never once did I prop up or make excuses for the misdeeds of Christianity. Catholic Spain was no Saint in its heyday. That is not my point nor my argument. My beef is with Islam.... and the political correctness that people use to hide its true intentions. Islam is about conquest and it always has been. This is a fact that has not changed since the 7th century.

Unfortunately, Islamic conquest doesn't (or shouldn't) sit well with modern Americans.

The Islamic world has not conquered anything in over 500 years- in fact they have spent the last two centuries getting their butts handed to them(this inferiority complex is part of the attraction of some to radical islam) Can you name a military conflict in recent history they were victorious in???

They were colonists(either by Europe or the Turks) and then had artificial countries drawn up(decided on a napkin)and handed to allied sheiks/kings in return for loyalty. These regimes either brutally oppressed them and/or paid them off with oil money. I am glad that there seems to be a push (at least in the Arab world) to rise up against the oppressive leadership in their countries -hopefully their Persian counterparts will do the same.

Is there a threat from these radicals- obviously yes. Is it an advancing Army intent on conquest-hardly. Do they want to hurt us, yes, because it makes them seem strong and powerful, when in fact they are neither. You want to stop radical islam- support these upstart democracies- understand and respect their religion(even if you don't agree with it) Show them we mean to help, not to conquer or destroy.

If you were to talk to a Kuwati or a Kurd- they are forever thankful to America and Americans. Talk to a Bosnian or Albanian Moslem-same thing

[Sid Barrett]

You are absolutely amazing in your ability to confirm my point TO A TEE yet still try to argue. Take a breath and try to see the forrest between the trees. The reason there has been no significant Islamic military victory in 200 years is because the Islamic world lacks the military ability to impose their will. i.e. Their armies suck. However, Their desire for conquest is still there. That is why they resort to asymetric warfare such as suicide bombs and terrorist attacks. Allow Ahmedinajad, who sees himself as a modern day Xerxes, to get the bomb and everything changes.

And when you type your rebuttal, reread what you typed, cause if history repeats itself, than chances are good that you will prove my point, yet again.

[jonriv]

That was 500 years

The only thing they have tried to conquer(besides Israel) is each other

They have not had the military(is debatable) - were all the Arab(and islamic world) pool their resources who knows. What they lack is the will. Frankly they will probably never get past the Sunni-Shia schism. You are basing your concept of wanting to conquer the world from the 7th & 8th century. Ottoman expansion was not some religious push, but an empire's attempt to expand and gain territory(and power) The use of asymetric warfare has been pursued by splinter groups- not by any state.

frankly Sid-your myoptic and clouded views seem just as bad at the radical moslems you condemn. The way to defeat radical moslem is to isolate them from mainstream Moslems(not by isolating mainstream Moslems from us) You also seem to have trouble distinguishing between a Persian madman and the average moslem on the street.

[Trophy Hunter]

That was 500 years

The only thing they have tried to conquer(besides Israel) is each other

They have not had the military(is debatable) - were all the Arab(and islamic world) pool their resources who knows. What they lack is the will. Frankly they will probably never get past the Sunni-Shia schism. You are basing your concept of wanting to conquer the world from the 7th & 8th century. Ottoman expansion was not some religious push, but an empire's attempt to expand and gain territory(and power) The use of asymetric warfare has been pursued by splinter groups- not by any state.

frankly Sid-your myoptic and clouded views seem just as bad at the radical moslems you condemn. The way to defeat radical moslem is to isolate them from mainstream Moslems(not by isolating mainstream Moslems from us) You also seem to have trouble distinguishing between a Persian madman and the average moslem on the street.

Persian madman vs average muslim on the street.

Or maybe you're referring to the average muslim on the street in Connecticut?

[jonriv]

I would hardly consider a gang in Afghanistan the average Muslim on on the street(maybe the dirt road or barren hiilside)

I am just curious what the answer is then- just kill them all? since there is obviously no hope??

The average muslim on the street wants the same thing most of us want- a decent life for themselves and their family and to be left alone. Which is what I think most people in the world want.

[heretostay]

So I was in the store the other day and this Muslim lady next to me picks up this big potato and she looks at me and says " this reminds me of my husbands gonads" I said "your husbands gonads are that big" she laughed and said "no they are that dirty"

[Trophy Hunter]

I would hardly consider a gang in Afghanistan the average Muslim on on the street(maybe the dirt road or barren hiilside)

I am just curious what the answer is then- just kill them all? since there is obviously no hope??

The average muslim on the street wants the same thing most of us want- a decent life for themselves and their family and to be left alone. Which is what I think most people in the world want.

Then maybe the average muslim should get off his ass and make a stand against those who are waging war in the name of Islam. Doing nothing makes them all complicit and, paradoxically, vulnerable to the inevitable consequences.