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by Bill_B » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:11 am

Sam wrote:Oh, you might think its all fine and wonderful when your kid is so duly "motivated" at 12 years old....she won't be that way at 14....she'll find boys....or girls....or whatever. She'll find other things to do.

Give them a month off...go on a real vacation. They won't hate you later in life for that...but they might just well hate you later in life if you keep pushing them....they will say they want to work out now....their goal in life is to bring a smile to your face....but keep pushing them and they might kill you in your sleep when they turn 17.....


Hi Sam, I hear this a lot and understand that this is required for many players. I have two daughters, both of whom started playing at the same time. One was five and the other four. I told them both when we started that we could approach our softball effort in one of two ways and the decision is theirs to make at any time. If the idea is to have fun and not worry about being really good we could go that way. Conversely, they could opt to be good at the sport but if that is their choice, Dad is going to be more demanding and less forgiving. They could go either way and change at any time.

Both opted to be good but one changed at about the age of ten and wanted to limit the experience to enjoyment without much effort. The other has chosen to be good and continue the effort.

To me, this case illustrates that generalizations do not always apply. In your case, Sam, it looks as if you believe that time off should be taken. I have no argument that taking time off is a good thing but there are some who do not want to take time off.

As for my kid hating me later in life... Mark Twain said it best when he observed that, "“When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years.”

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by Sam » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:12 am

Slider,

You may have that one ultra-competitive kid out of 100 who will forsake her social life in order to continuously improve her game....or you could be one of the 99 parents whose kids tell them they want to work out instead of going to the beach because they are desperate to please their parents. I don't know....I don't know you or your DD....I do know that I have coached at this level for almost 10 years and of all the girls I have coached and have known, I may know exactly one who would choose to work out over going to the beach in August....and I don't really know her motivation.

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by Sam » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:15 am

Bill_B wrote:
Sam wrote:Oh, you might think its all fine and wonderful when your kid is so duly "motivated" at 12 years old....she won't be that way at 14....she'll find boys....or girls....or whatever. She'll find other things to do.

Give them a month off...go on a real vacation. They won't hate you later in life for that...but they might just well hate you later in life if you keep pushing them....they will say they want to work out now....their goal in life is to bring a smile to your face....but keep pushing them and they might kill you in your sleep when they turn 17.....


Hi Sam, I hear this a lot and understand that this is required for many players. I have two daughters, both of whom started playing at the same time. One was five and the other four. I told them both when we started that we could approach our softball effort in one of two ways and the decision is theirs to make at any time. If the idea is to have fun and not worry about being really good we could go that way. Conversely, they could opt to be good at the sport but if that is their choice, Dad is going to be more demanding and less forgiving. They could go either way and change at any time.

Both opted to be good but one changed at about the age of ten and wanted to limit the experience to enjoyment without much effort. The other has chosen to be good and continue the effort.

To me, this case illustrates that generalizations do not always apply. In your case, Sam, it looks as if you believe that time off should be taken. I have no argument that taking time off is a good thing but there are some who do not want to take time off.

As for my kid hating me later in life... Mark Twain said it best when he observed that, "“When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years.”

Regards,
Bill


Hi Bill,

My goal is for you not to end up in my shoes....with a DD who has had 4 surgeries and doesn't want to play in college because it hurts to play. I wish you well.
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by Nzane » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:18 am

My Daughter has been off a couple weeks(except for hitting lessons once a week). She text messages me at work daily, asking if we can go and workout at the park. I put it off for 2 weeks(for her sake AND mine), but finally yesterday, we went out for 2 hours, hitting and fielding. She has been missing softball during her "break". She was asked to go to ASA Nationals and Western Nationals, and we declined both, and she regretted it, as she missed playing. My point is, I think it just depends on the girl.
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by Slider » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:45 am

Slider,

You may have that one ultra-competitive kid out of 100 who will forsake her social life in order to continuously improve her game....or you could be one of the 99 parents whose kids tell them they want to work out instead of going to the beach because they are desperate to please their parents. I don't know....I don't know you or your DD....I do know that I have coached at this level for almost 10 years and of all the girls I have coached and have known, I may know exactly one who would choose to work out over going to the beach in August....and I don't really know her motivation.

JMO


Sam,
Hmmmm........I don't think that anywhere in my post I said that my DD doesnt take the occasional trips to the beach, or hang out at the movies, or go out with friends or that she does not have an interest in boys. Trust me that is someone else's kid your talking about. Just the opposite. We tend to push her in those directions to keep her grounded so that she remembers there is life outside of softball. We also want her to be a kid as long as possible.

I think that what gets me about your post is you "assume" that every kid who works hard or chooses not to take a break is in someway be driven by the parents. Your comment about the parents not giving a "crap" about the kids was an assumption on your part. As you stated you don't know my DD and my guess is that you don't know 99% of millions of female athletes out there playing softball, but you felt that you could make an assumption about the tactics or motives of those families. So to make an generalization that say's every player who goes full speed must have "crappy" parents is based on your opinion only. I am open to opinions, I just don't agree when they are insulting the character of people you don't know.

Like I said, Have some faith in the kids! Most of the time they are smarter than we give them credit for being.

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by Bill_B » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:00 am

Sam wrote:Hi Bill,

My goal is for you not to end up in my shoes....with a DD who has had 4 surgeries and doesn't want to play in college because it hurts to play. I wish you well.


Hi Sam,

Based on your previous posts it is apparent that you are a coach with long experience and that helps me with your credibility. I sincerely appreciate your concern and understand that we must be very careful with our daughters in terms of helping them stay healthy.
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by weekend4trvl » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:12 am

Bill_B wrote:
Sam wrote:Hi Bill,

My goal is for you not to end up in my shoes....with a DD who has had 4 surgeries and doesn't want to play in college because it hurts to play. I wish you well.


Hi Sam,

Based on your previous posts it is apparent that you are a coach with long experience and that helps me with your credibility. I sincerely appreciate your concern and understand that we must be very careful with our daughters in terms of helping them stay healthy.

The biggest off-season improvement that I ever witnessed was the 8 weeks that my daughter never put on a glove. Her batteries were charged her spirits were high. She missed playing softball and it showed.
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by sbfan » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:22 am

I think what everyone is saying is every girl is different and thats normal. Some will want to play all the time some want a break.

I think breaks for the girls a very healthy. Now that break may be a week or a month. Every girl and every team have differant beliefs for what they think is best.

I agree and wish there was a longer break time from Nationals to fall season. One of the problems is about 70-80 percent of the teams in the area (mine is north Texas) dont do Nationals and have taken the last month off while the teams that go to ASA Nationals have been working hard. The teams that did not go to Nationals are ready for Try outs and getting there teams ready for the fall. For the teams that went to Nationals its just keeping up.
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by NumeroUno » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:30 am

Well after listening to all of you I have one last thing to say, Numerouno is going to Maui in 2 week for a little R&R. No gloves, no bats no nets, just sun block and a few drinks in a coconut or pineapple.
I agree with what Sam said and I don't care who you are or what you do everyone needs a little time off. I don't care if you play on the USA team, MLB, NFL, or NHL everyone needs a break.

I will send pictures so you don't all miss me so much..
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by artomatic » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:42 am

My kid likes to take a break at this time, and she won't touch a ball for about 3 weeks.
I think I heard her talking about getting her nails done... :shock:

But, I like this time off also.
My brain is fried after returning from Bama, and it's kind of nice to not think about lineups, coverages, etc for a few weeks...
We have been going since last August, with 3 weeks off in December, and Easter week off, so a break is nice...
We might even sleep in this weekend!

**#1, are you going to wear your "Borat" mankini?
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