PGF 2011 - Review and Discussion

[NumeroUno]

What was the percentage of California teams in PGF compared to the percentage of California teams in ASA 3 years ago. Gold and HS

ASA

2007 - 33% from California
2008 - 28%
2009 - 25%
2010 - 25%
2011 - 25%

PGF

2010 - 49% from California
2011 - 40%

Thnaks MavFan

49% is very high not quite a state tourney but I can see the argument. 40% this year well it looks like it is moving in the right direction

[Crazy888]

I haven't read all 6 pages of this post, but it seems many on here forget that here is a small window of time when our daughters actually play travel ball. At least at the 18 level, I doubt many would mind going to Huntington Beach for 2 or 3 years in a row ( if that was the only place they had it). If you have more than 1 daughter playing, Huntington Beach may get a little old.

[cent]

I have not read all 6 pages either. But one thing that Bret and all the SoCal people have to know is there are teams across the country as good as any SoCal teams. There are some tremendous teams out there that do not go to Premier mostly because if the travel to SoCal is too far or too expensive. These teams and organization have worked very hard to get to where they are with some tremendous coaches who are very dedicated.

[Crazy888]

Name 1 "tremendous team" that didn't go to Premier because it cost too much. Where did they go instead, Normal Illinois?

[MavFan]

I haven't read all 6 pages of this post, but it seems many on here forget that here is a small window of time when our daughters actually play travel ball. At least at the 18 level, I doubt many would mind going to Huntington Beach for 2 or 3 years in a row ( if that was the only place they had it). If you have more than 1 daughter playing, Huntington Beach may get a little old.

But you see the 12u to 18HS are all held in SoCal. That would be like 8 straight years.

[The Big Dog]

Regarding the number of California teams at ASA Gold Nationals vs. Premier HS, ASA is set up to give berths away regionally based on registered number of teams. Essentially, California teams have a regional (6 berths) and 2 territorials (6 berths each) available to qualify for a 64 team tournament. Throw in good teams from AZ, WA, and OR at the territorials and 16 spots, which concidentally is 25%, sounds reasonable and by design.

California representing 40% of the field at Premier is not geographically balanced and I would like to think the Premier braintrust is working to generate a more national interest base moving forward.

[AlwaysImprove]

What was the percentage of California teams in PGF compared to the percentage of California teams in ASA 3 years ago. Gold and HS

ASA

2007 - 33% from California
2008 - 28%
2009 - 25%
2010 - 25%
2011 - 25%

PGF

2010 - 49% from California
2011 - 40%

Thnaks MavFan

49% is very high not quite a state tourney but I can see the argument. 40% this year well it looks like it is moving in the right direction

They are free to call it a state tournament anytime they want. It does not matter what state a team comes from.

When you have the 23 of the top 25 from Independence Day, The top 10 from Champions cup, most of the top 25 from Fireworks, and 3 of the top 5 from Sparkler, that is going to be a great tournament. At 18 gold/HS last year, winning the PGF really meant something.

Winnning ASA was a great accomplishment. I watched the ASA games and the PGF championship game, and it is pretty clear who was the best team in the nation.

[Crazy888]

That is why I said at the 18 level. Choose to play wherever you want to below 16's. If your interest is being seen by college coaches, playing the best competition, and being in one of the few places that isn't miserable in August, then what more could you ask for? Having been in the travel ball scene for 10+ years, my humble opinion is that PGF has hit the nail on the head the last 2 years ( at least in the HS division).

[Makina]

I think it is great that PGF came along and gave us an alternative for championship level play. I'm sure if the SoCal teams had played ASA (Athletics, Firecrackers, BatBusters) they would have done very well, as well as the North Florida team.

It's just a matter of choice and what u would prefer to attend based upon having to qualify, competition, expenses etc.

So being from So Cal, I had a choice of sending my daughter with a 16u team to ASA (Tenn.) or with an 18u team to PGF. Well from an college exposure and location, I choose the 18u team that was playing PGF. That was a no brainer!!

Thank you PGF for giving us an alternative!!!

[dirtlover]

So it sounds like the haters want to call PGF a state tourney. Cali formed Cali based right? Well I don't think anyone would call ASA the USA nationals without the top Cali teams there. We all know that there are great teams from all over the country but saying they don't want to travel west as it is too expensive but we should travel to where TN? Why, because it's cheaper for us? What? I don't follow, maybe I,m just a little slower than you guys but when I see a line of scouts waiting to watch our girls play against one of the best teams in the western US it doesn't make me want to be in TN or IL or AL to watch our girls play a team from MN with maybe 1 scout due to the eventual route. Not saying PGF is better but a smaller tourney with more competative games and way more exposure, hell I would travel to FL for that. Just sayin.....