ASA Teams who DO NOT give families a BUDGET

[cHeCk Yo SeLf]

The residents of the city of Bell thought the same thing about their City Council and City Manager. How'd that work out for them???

And if coaches are paying money out of their own pockets, that confirms the team's finances are being mismanaged.

[SoCalASABlue]

Agreed, cY.

If your inheritance was being managed by a schmo who told you to F-off when you wanted to see the books, you'd either hit him upside the head with an RT or see an attorney immediately. Yet because mommy and daddy don't want to upset Mr. Big Sh%t TB coach and potentially impact DD's playing time, they'll bend over and scream "thank you sir may I have it again" while writing the check...just what kind of life lesson is this teaching DD??

The ends justify the means to some...with integrity issues.

[NumeroUno]

The residents of the city of Bell thought the same thing about their City Council and City Manager. How'd that work out for them???

And if coaches are paying money out of their own pockets, that confirms the team's finances are being mismanaged.

That is not always true some coaches just don't care if they are putting in more then their share because they love what they do.

My mom was a teacher for over 40 years, she spent a few thousand every year out of her pocket for things she thought the kids needed but the school district would not provide.

Their is no reason to be afraid to ask to see a budget and if someone asks the coach should not take it personal

[Scoop n K]

Besides that...a coach putting in his/her own $$$$ is a real good indication that you are dealing with someone who gives a Rats A?# about the kids.

[Skarp]

The residents of the city of Bell thought the same thing about their City Council and City Manager. How'd that work out for them???

I'll take "Awful Analogies" for $500, Alex.

[Joe]

... they'll bend over and scream "thank you sir may I have it again" while writing the check...just what kind of life lesson is this teaching DD??

The ends justify the means to some...with integrity issues.

...I like your point here! Your story is a wonderful example of what ASA's been doing to us for a long, long time.

[TRICKY DICK]

... they'll bend over and scream "thank you sir may I have it again" while writing the check...just what kind of life lesson is this teaching DD??

The ends justify the means to some...with integrity issues.

...I like your point here! Your story is a wonderful example of what ASA's been doing to us for a long, long time.

Sorry Cali we assumed the cage we had Joe in was fairly well built,but it appears somtiime over night he was able to pick the lock with his dirty little fingers.We are on his trail & hope we have him contained ASAP.

[lombardisoftball]

Look, we all know the teams that are getting the schools and scholarship offers in abundance (if you don’t, just refer to the teams who will be playing in Premier).
But the other teams/organizations should be doing everything they can to be forth coming and open with their budgets and stay out of the pockets of the families on their team, so they can pay their house payments, car loans, etc.
Instead, Provide an opportunity, compensate yourself fairly for your time, and disclose everything!
So many families are so scared of pissing off even a “subpar teams” manager/founder – it is amazing to me to figure out WHY?
Are there that many screwed up weak people in this world? We all know the crappy teams/organizations, and if you happen to find yourself on one and they offer no accountability for the money they are taking in and are obligating you to fundraise even more money for them – and you don’t stand up and say something, then you my friend are an idiot!
Those elite teams are almost guaranteeing something that a lot of teams can’t – that big schools will see their players many, many times throughout the season, and by doing so, scholarships will follow. I get that, it make sense to me –but for all you other families out there who are writing checks, selling burgers, washing cars and what ever else you do, so your DD can play for some crappy team, who’s entire goal is to get “ a lot of crappy teams under their same name” (you see, having many crappy, poorly coached teams under the same name, somehow makes them LEGIT!) I suggest you wake up, find your nuts and demand that at a minimum – you see where your hard earned money is being spent… if thats too difficult for you - - just go out in the yard, eat some grass and Baaaaaaa, like the little weak sheep that you are and wait for the big bad wolf to come by for his montly stipend.
Just my opinion - I can be wrong...

[Skarp]

...for all you other families out there who are writing checks, selling burgers, washing cars and what ever else you do, so your DD can play for some crappy team, who’s entire goal is to get “ a lot of crappy teams under their same name” (you see, having many crappy, poorly coached teams under the same name, somehow makes them LEGIT!) I suggest you wake up, find your nuts and demand that at a minimum – you see where your hard earned money is being spent… if thats too difficult for you - - just go out in the yard, eat some grass and Baaaaaaa, like the little weak sheep that you are and wait for the big bad wolf to come by for his montly stipend.
Just my opinion - I can be wrong...

I don't care if Ernst & Young is performing quarterly audits on the team--if it is "crappy" and "poorly coached," my dd won't be playing there.

If you can't figure out whether you are getting adequate value for the money (time, effort, etc.) that you are spending, or especially if you are willing to make such expenditures when it is obvious that the value isn't there, then you really are an idiot, and "standing up and saying something" about team finances isn't going to solve your problems in the slightest.

The reason the comparison to the city of Bell is inapt is that nobody is required to join a travel team, and, if they do, they can choose among many--or even start their own. There is no coercion involved. So, notwithstanding ASA's silly rules, choosing a travel team is exactly like choosing to patronize any business. If you hire a landscape company to tend your property, do you later "stand up" and ask to see the company books? Or is your inquiry limited to whether you are receiving adequate service for what you are paying?

[lombardisoftball]

Skarp, the problem with this is; most families sign up, pay the down payment, look at the monthly payments, decide they can afford it, or not. Then later in the season families are informed that they are required to sell 4 golf tickets, participate in a car wash, and so on, and towards the end of the season "SURPRISE", there is no money left to help offset the cost of ANYTHING.
If it was disclosed up front-then of course many would not be involved in teams like this, but it unravels as you go... next thing you know, your at the end of the season and you are told, that the organization pays for NOTHING, for your trip to Nationals or Western Nationals! By then, it's too late! You've been Screwed....
These organizations survive by many dumb, but very sincere and hopeful families out there, that have scholarship dreams for their DD in their eyes, but have somehow, by their misfortune ran across this team(s) and now they are stuck. The longer they stay in the organization, the further behind their DD gets, because of the lack of quality coaching. But they refuse to leave, because Coach Says my DD is really good player and he is going to work especially hard to get her a scholarship, all she has to do is stay faithful to the organization - and keep sending those checks! In the end, if no scholarship comes about - it's the families and the kids fault for simply not being a good enough player and had nothing to do with the poor coaching.

It reminds me a lot of the Faith Healer Benny Hinn.
If your not healed, its not Benny's fault, it's your fault because you just did not have enough faith in him!
watch benny here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI