Shaved bats in HS play ??

[NumeroUno]

I would like to see a wood bat softball tourney

[CharlieHough]

I would like to see a wood bat softball tourney

Hey NumeroUno....Still looking for Vendors for the "Beat the Heat" tourny this weekend?

Put the bat rolling/shaving booth next to your famous Tri Tip and ask for 15% of the proceeds.

[str8up]

Just don't shave the Tri-Tip

[madaboutsoftball]

Girl's softball with wood bats, 19 innings and the score is 0 - 0 with no hits, no runners and no fans......soon no players!

[Sam]

Girl's softball with wood bats, 19 innings and the score is 0 - 0 with no hits, no runners and no fans......soon no players!

Any player that can't hit with a wood bat is not a player....by definition. If you have to depend on a juiced bat, you suck.

[fasterpitch92701]

Sam, very well said.

Hey, can you imagine juicers going to college and having to use legit bats (as the risk and penalty at that level is extreme). They will be chopped liver.

How hard can it be to have a simple scale to measure a bats weight? True, a tournament would have a one-time expense of 30 bucks but... here's the kicker, announce up front that all bats will be weighed before each game and any sign of tampering will result in forfeiture of all games, the team is removed from the tourney and no refund on entry fees. And... there will be a list posted on the wall next to results noting the names of all teams that were busted and why.

It would be fun to see who shows up and... what teams don't sign up. "ahhhh.... we had a picnic planned for that weekend... or was it a group accordian lesson...".

[SoCal10UDude]

Sam, very well said.

Hey, can you imagine juicers going to college and having to use legit bats (as the risk and penalty at that level is extreme). They will be chopped liver.

How hard can it be to have a simple scale to measure a bats weight? True, a tournament would have a one-time expense of 30 bucks but... here's the kicker, announce up front that all bats will be weighed before each game and any sign of tampering will result in forfeiture of all games, the team is removed from the tourney and no refund on entry fees. And... there will be a list posted on the wall next to results noting the names of all teams that were busted and why.

It would be fun to see who shows up and... what teams don't sign up. "ahhhh.... we had a picnic planned for that weekend... or was it a group accordian lesson...".

Checking the weight won't really do much good. Shaved bats often have the weight added back in the end load or back in the handle or in the neck of the bat. Shaving the bat has to do with thinning the walls not making it lighter. Shaving only removes 1-1.5 ounces and some of the bats manufacturing variances unfortunately will fall within that tolerance.

[Tumblebug]

Ummm what's a shaved bat? What does it accomplish and how are people doing it?

They remove the end cap and remove material from the inside of the bat, thinning the walls, and giving more of a trampoline effect leading to higher exit speeds.

I think if a bat is found to be "altered", the team should forfeit and the player banned for a significant amount of time.

The penalty is a 2 year suspension

I think that shaved bats are way more common than anyone wants to admit from 10u all the way up.

They are actually scoring the inner wall. Some material will flake off, but not the entire inner wall.

The inner wall on a number of composite bats contains a deadening layer of composite, probably by more resin, or using a specific resin. When this is scored, it looses its ability to deaden the bat.

Few years back, some people beat their bat on a telephone pole until they started hearing shavings rattle inside the bat. Other people bought bat rolling machines. These all accomplished the same thing, causing that inner wall to break down some. These last two techniques are removed from an advantage as ASA is now rolling the bat and then testing to make sure the bat stays within the 98mph standard.

Composite bat manufacturers can put an end to all of this by moving the deadening layer to the middle of their composite stack.

There isn't a deadening layer of different resin. Most composites bats are built from prepreg & preformed materials and the resin is heat activated. if wet winding is used it is resin on the fibers them selves. Virtually no wet resin is added in separate layers of resin. The bat is usually hand laid-up over a mandrel that is first wrapped with a release layer that is inert and inconsequential to the performance. The release layer is what you see when you take the cap off. The rolling or beating on a post is actually causing inter and intra-layer delamination and pieces of the resin that hold the layers together is coming from the structure itself. The walls are actually coming apart. The product is being destroyed.

Resin over fiber composites are not a good choice of materials for an impact application. They ALL delaminate. The rate and severity of delamination cannot be accurately predicted. ABI protocol or not, this type of structure will always fail in the same way. Some are better than others but they all die the same death.

[Gone in 2.6]

I see it and hear it. Shaved bats have a different sound. Very noticable when a girl check swings and that ball goes over a fence. I've seen it in HS and at showcases.

This is not that uncommon and can happen easily with a normal bat.

[Gone in 2.6]

I would like to see a wood bat softball tourney

Eddie Lee lives.