New Braunfels - Coach gets tossed, team has to forfeit????

[Blind Squirrel]

Think about your assertion. What do you mean by "kids on the bubble?" Kids on the bubble in terms of top 10 teams? Those kids would be recruited by dozens of non-top 10 schools in a heartbeat. Top 50 school "Kids on the bubble"? Those kids would surely be recruited by non-top 50 schools. The most I would concede that there are rare cases where it makes a difference in a kid wanting to go to a particular school whose coach gives a damn about the actions during a game of a coach the kid has when she is 16 years old. If I'm a coach who believes a kid might have the abilities to help my team, I couldn't care less what the kid's coach acts like on the field. How is that a reflection of how the kid might perform in college. Is the kid supposed to make the coach stop? I would look at how the kid responds to the actions of the coach to assess mental/emotional toughness, focus, respect for authority, etc. A D1 coach told me that she carefully watches how the recruit interacts with her parents, coaches and teammates. She specifically said she couldn't care less what TB team my kid plays for as long as she is seeing the best pitching she can as often as possible. She knows the TB coaches in SoCal, probably personally dislikes/disrespects some, but she never mentioned any my kid shouldn't play for. That is far from a broad survey but I suspect it is representative of the majority as it seems common sensical. Lastly, some of the top players, year after year here in SoCal, play for coaches who are well known by all to yell crap at players and blues on a fairly consistent basis. I frankly can't believe the stuff I hear from one in particular. Next year, I believe three players who have been on his team for at least the past two years will be playing in the PAC-10. I've spoken with him between games and he is actually very personable and engaging. I suspect college coaches find him quite pleasant to talk to about players.

I don't recall ever hearing about the coach or the team in this thread before now. I don't know what happened and I've expressed my disdain for the behavior of some coaches. Call him on it, good for you. Maybe he'll think twice next time before reacting. But based upon my experiences and what I've heard about college coaches, I doubt that this coaches actions on the field will significantly impact the recruiting of his players. Except where they relate to his ability to teach them the game.

John

[sportzjunky]

comeon "bomberparent"... id like to hear you chime in.... where do you stand on your coaches actions???

[STE08]

SERIOUSLY GUYS EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BACK OFF OF SCOTT, THAT HAPPENED THIS PAST WEEKEND, I AM PRETTY SURE WE HAVE ALL BLOWN OUR TOPS FROM TIME TO TIME. I(STE08)HAVE NEVER HAD TO BATTLE AGAINST SCOTT AND THE 92 BOMBERS BLACK, I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF TALKING TO THE MAN AND HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPECTFUL AND POLITE. HECK HE TALKED REAL HIGHLY OF OUR TEAM WHEN HANDING US OUR 2ND PLACE AWARDS IN THE '07 SCHLITTERBAHN TOURNEY. I HAVE HAD THOSE TYPE OF GAMES BEFORE AS I AM SURE TONS OF COACHES HAVE AROUND THE COUNTRY IN DIFFERENT SPORTS. SO DROP THE SUBJECT AND IF YOU ALL DONT HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THE MAN, DONT SAY ANYTHING. ITS HIS TEAM, HIS PARENTS AND BY THE LOOKS OF IT, THEY GOT IT GOING ON WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. HEY AND IF YOU ALL WANNA START TALKING ABOUT ME BECAUSE I CAME ON HERE SAYING THIS ABOUT SCOTT, THEN GO AHEAD, BUT SERIOUSLY LAY OFF THE MAN, WE AS COACHES HAVE A HARD ENOUGH TIME HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SIDE,THE KIDS, THE PARENTS, THE TOURNEYS, THE PRACTICES AND THEN HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ALL THE CRITICS JUST WATCHING OUR EVERY MOVE WAITING FOR US TO SLIP. NOT GOOD, NOT GOOD, WHY DON'T YOU ALL GET A TEAM TOGETHER AND THEN YOU ALL CAN FIND OUT 1ST HAND WHAT IT MEANS TO STICK UP FOR YOUR GIRLS AND TEAM !!!

GREG FLORES
STE08 MANAGER

[slapper]

Slapper,

If you saw most of the game then you know that for 65 minutes the Wildfire did nothing but play ball and respect the umpires and the other side (players and coaches).

The Eight's coach worked the umpire from the first inning till ejection which was a calculated move (admitted) on his part...to get a reaction out of the umpires (it did) and eventually it got a reaction out of the other side (Wildfire). It escalated after the Bomber's coach confronted the Wildfire coach on the field after the game for a comment made after the game.

Hopefully you have seen more than one Wildfire game over the years...becuase if you have you would know this is not the way this club (coaches, players or parents) responds to wins or losses. In this case they were as sick of the "sideshow" as the umpires...and they blew off 2 minutes of steam at the end. The inferno had been burning for almost an hour and the Wildfire threw a bucket of gas on it at the end!

I saw the last 40 or minutes of the game and will admit Scott was very hot and gave it to the umps but not on every play. I will also say I saw and heard things said by the Wildfire fans and coaches that were out of line as well. I also witnessed laziness by the field ump and inconsistant calls behind the plate for both teams. I am not picking sides here, all involved could have and should have acted better. I too have got caught up in the moment and said and did things I shouldn't have in the past and probably will again in the future.


I will also say I find it hard to belive a D1 or any college coach gives a damn abot what a bunch of middle age dads and moms think about other teams/coaches abilities or inabilities. In the Showcase tournaments I have been to umpires have been a NonFactor.

[375_comp __47_core]

I suggest the moderator remove this thread so we can get back to other pointless discussions

[Bomberparent]

I have sat back and read these posts for awhile now with no reply just to see what people think and I must say It is ridiculous the crap that people post. Let me start with I am a proud Bomber parent and I will defend the coaches and my organization. While you all sit here and discuss Scott acting out take a look around. I have been to many many tournaments and there is always a coach being tossed for some reason or another. Many I have wanted to remove myself and meet them in the parking lot,as well as some of the umpires. FYI the umpires in this town do not give us any "home cookin" nor do the tournament directors and those are things that we just have to deal with as a Bomber. For some reason Scott being tossed is some huge travisty because he didnt act right or he did this or that. It sounds to me that the people that say these things have no idea what they are talking about. While you are bashing our organization why don't you take the time to learn more about us as well as our coaching staff. I will say that my daughter has been a Bomber for about 4 years and it was the greatest move we could have ever made. This organization thrives on making our girls the best they can be on and off the field. (making the grades, volunteering at the Ronald McDonald house,Special Olympics, just to mention a few and this year did you have any idea that The Texas Bombers will donate over $12,000 to Relay for Life as well as walking in it) Did you know that Scott spends many nights and weekends at the field away from his family to help a girl that wants to improve or a coach that needs some extra help and that doesnt just go for Scott. Chuck is out there as well as some of our other coaches. I will speak for my daughter and I can guarantee his own players feel this way, they respect him and know that he is there for them and will help them anyway he can. I am not on his team but I know that he has had the same core group of girls since 8U so that must tell you something. I will say that all of the coaches in this organization have given my kid kudos when she deserved it and busted her chops when she needed it and time for help when she asked for it. This is a great organization and it really pisses me off to see people post a bunch of crap that they know nothing about.

[play4fun]

Over it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next tournament please.....................

[heybucket]

Ok people there is no reason to delete this thread. But enough is enough Thank you to the Bombers coach for using this board to apologize for his behavior on the field. And to travel ball get over it. Next tournament please

[cathermydrift]

Thanks Hey BUcket for not deleting the thread.

This could go on forever because everyone has a Bomber story (or 5). I do not think anyone can dispute that the 92 Bombers Black are a very good team. The girls play softball with a passion and are always respectful on and off the field. I do not think anyone can dispute that. I have seen the younger Bombers teams (96-95-94) play a little and they look to be very well coached and play good softball.

The Bombers have put on two huge tournaments for many years that have alot of success. They have pulled in many good teams to compete from all over Texas, so that is a good thing for Central Texas softball. It would be interesting to know how many none Central Texas Teams have returned to play in these tournaments in back to back years. I have and have heard many complaints from none Central Texas teams about how these tournaments are ran. This could be where a lot of the anger with the Bombers comes from.

I know the Bombers admin. say that they do not get "home Cooking" but sometimes it looks that way. When you see Bombers and Tovar working together at these tournaments it raises a question. Why would you bite the hand that feeds you? I could be wrong...

With all of my travels with my daughter, the only place I have ever seen alcohol being consumed openly is at a Bombers involved tournament. By late Sunday you have 3 Gators and golf carts being driven by people that look as if they have been drinking. Early in the tournaments it was in plastic cups. On Sundays it just beer in hand.

We have heard these board, I am sorry's before. If you have coached in CenTex you have seen Scott and Chuck ( I do not know you , but I know your name) do what happen in the Wildfire game many times before. This was not the first time. This has been going on since at least 2004.

So this could be " the straw that broke the Camels back" for people to speak out against.

So these poor-poor Scott posts are crazy. It is not about Scott. It should be about the girls. This post should be , " those Bombers Black players are awesome, they have a shot at something special" .

Apparently the Bombers coachs know how to coach. That is not a question. Just learn how to respect the game. Respect your fellow opponent. Respect the intergrity of the game. Umpires make mistakes.

[shutup&playball]

CRY CRY CRY
Just SHUTUP&PLAYBALL