Valencia strikes again!!!

[Skarp]

There's your problem, screw my kids I don't give a damm about there friends or what they want. You go where I say. NICE. VERY glad your not my parent. Remember it's not ALL about you oh wait maybe in your case it is. LOL

Of course my kids go to the school I choose. That's called parenting, dipshit. And, btw, if I were your parent (heaven forbid) you would have attended a better school, and would know how to think, write, and spell.

Cheers!

[Nzane]

Ok, I read this thread yesterday, and realized after seeing "ZZ", who this thread was about. And, personally, I'm tired of people coming on here, bashing kids, parents, coaches and teams, when they don't really know what is going on. I am a good friend of "ZZ's" dad. My dd is good friends with his dd, one of the transfers. Besides bieng an extremely talented softball player, she is a great kid. I had the pleasure of coaching her 1 year in 12u.

Anyway, I was talkin to ZZ a few months back about college, softball, etc...Back then, he I told him my dd wanted to major in sports medicine. He told me that his dd wanted to do the same. Anyway. After reading this post, I called him. Turns out, dd wanted to transfer to Valencia becaue they have a sports medicine class. And, contrary to what was said earlier in this thread, not all schools offer this class. Canyon does NOT have it. So, that is why she transfered. But, as usual, someone signs up with an anonymous name, and comes on here and bashed a great girl/family, who made a decision that was good for them.

Anyway, good luck "ZZ". Have fun winning that CIF championship!!

[Nzane]

By the way, Ratzdad, the originator of this thread,join date is, drum roll please, Wednesday, July 8th, 2009. Too funny.

[OutsideObserver]

By the way, Ratzdad, the originator of this thread,join date is, drum roll please, Wednesday, July 8th, 2009. Too funny.

Nzane, I thought you were a little quicker on the uptake than that. I think we will set a record for the most newly created second screen names designed to post on a controversial thread... er I mean first time posters on a thread.

Get a grip. Everyone in the Santa Clarita Valley has been talking about the blatant recruiting practices of DL for a long time. For everyone who has exploited the rules, loopholes and academic excuses for the sole purpose of playing on a Gold caliber HS team, there is someone who thinks that the CIF is remiss in not holding everyone to the same set of rules.

Oh and you think DL had anything to do with only Valencia offering that class that "everyone is going to want to take". Unfortunately I wonder how many of the regular non softball players will have their transfer approved.

And the punchline is: The really serious players aren't allowed to major in Sports Medicine, Engineering, PreMed or anything really serious at the Softball powerhouse colleges, because softball IS your major. (They call it PE.)

[Nzane]

True. But, there are serious, and very talented softball players that realize, playing at UCLA won't help you later in life. So, they choose a school where they can actually get an education in the major of their choice. There is no real future in softball. But, the education you can get by playing this game can last a lifetime.

[OutsideObserver]

True. But, there are serious, and very talented softball players that realize, playing at UCLA won't help you later in life. So, they choose a school where they can actually get an education in the major of their choice. There is no real future in softball. But, the education you can get by playing this game can last a lifetime.

On that we agree!



The irony of this is that is NOT what is happening. When a kid transfers from Harvard Westlake to go to Valencia, then academics has nothing to do with it! Softball pure and simple. In that case DL's promises didn't quite work out the way that family was expecting.

Sad and pathetic!

[Bruwinfan]

Let’s first understand that all the schools in the Hart School District all abide by the same rules…Meaning they can all get athletes (male and female) that live in another school’s boundaries. This applies to any sport. With regards to that, males transferred to Canyon and Hart to play football, and others to Valencia to play volleyball. Girls transferred to Saugus to run track and cross country. Last year’s softball pitcher at West Ranch was the backup to Hart’s before she transferred.

So the rules are equitable. Why do kids transfer? Yes the “different classes” appeal is a little lame. The fact is kids transfer to get into better sports programs. Canyon and Hart’s football programs are outstanding…and they have been for almost 2 decades. Kids go there to play for good coaches. This happens in any sport, and can you blame them? If they’ve spent time on travel teams with good coaching, what kind of let-down is it to play on a team with bad coaching …a team they “HAVE TO PLAY ON” or not play at all simply because they live in that school’s boundary? No child, male or female should be in a “stuck or else not play” situation.

Coach Lee at Valencia is a very good coach. She gets the best from her players, and runs her practices like a travel coach would. She doesn’t go out and recruit players as some people believe. She puts in a lot of extra time working on fundamentals with the girls, knows the game well and also spends extra time away from the family being on the CIF board of coaches. So if I’m looking for a good program for my daughter, I would want a coach like that. The girls respond to her coaching. She gets results.

Bob Shults at West Ranch is another good coach. Some don’t like his style (I happen to appreciate it!), but he runs his program like a travel team as well (he’s won national titles in ASA) and is going to turn that program around. Last year was his first year with the team and the difference is already noticeable.

The other schools in this area have had issues with their coaches. Calendo at Hart had 4 years with a solid group of girls (talk about D-1 players!) and couldn’t get it done. Canyon had the girls walk away from the coach at a practice this year. (This is the same coach whining about losing players…could it be he’s driving them off?) Golden Valley can’t keep coaches on staff. Saugus is trying to rebuild their program and their coach is only 2 years into it, but there are issues there as well.

The point is, the rules are equitable. As a parent, I want my child playing (1) where she wants to, (2) where there is good coaching, and (3) where she is going to get playing time while being pushed to improve her abilities. If she’s not good enough to start, but she’s okay with the first two items, then that’s it.

Finally, if you folks out there want to quibble about the system, or the coaches, that’s fine. Post away. But this is not a forum for the children’s names to be published. Those of you who have mentioned girls by name need to re-edit your posts and eliminate the names.

[Surehitter]

The softball player thing aside - This is just a prime example of tax dollars being wasted on a non core class that should not even be offered at the high school level. Like many other class's offered just a waste of $$$$$. And this kind of spending has caught up with all of uss in CA.

[OutsideObserver]

Let’s first understand that all the schools in the Hart School District all abide by the same rules…Meaning they can all get athletes (male and female) that live in another school’s boundaries. This applies to any sport. With regards to that, males transferred to Canyon and Hart to play football, and others to Valencia to play volleyball. Girls transferred to Saugus to run track and cross country. Last year’s softball pitcher at West Ranch was the backup to Hart’s before she transferred.

So the rules are equitable. Why do kids transfer? Yes the “different classes” appeal is a little lame. The fact is kids transfer to get into better sports programs. Canyon and Hart’s football programs are outstanding…and they have been for almost 2 decades.


Finally, if you folks out there want to quibble about the system, or the coaches, that’s fine. Post away. But this is not a forum for the children’s names to be published. Those of you who have mentioned girls by name need to re-edit your posts and eliminate the names.

All right! A little candor is like a breath of fresh air!

So if I understand your point, (yes that WAS rhetorical) Hart and Canyon (when Harry was there) are the football magnets, Valencia is the Softball and (boys) Volleyball magnets.

The rules apply to all the Hart Districts schools, but is that the system that the CIF-SS is promoting: district magnetics for sports teams? If so, they should be able to eliminate most of the eligibility rules. Maybe Santiago could be the Corona/Norco magnet and Pacifica the Garden Grove Magnet (actually it already is).

You get my point. I guess this is a way to offset the advantages of other cheating districts and private schools like Oaks Christian.


As far as specific names, I think you're right about editing them out. Then again in the past allegations were met with demands for specific instances.

[Skarp]

True. But, there are serious, and very talented softball players that realize, playing at UCLA won't help you later in life. So, they choose a school where they can actually get an education in the major of their choice. There is no real future in softball. But, the education you can get by playing this game can last a lifetime.

On that we agree!



The irony of this is that is NOT what is happening. When a kid transfers from Harvard Westlake to go to Valencia, then academics has nothing to do with it! Softball pure and simple. In that case DL's promises didn't quite work out the way that family was expecting.

Sad and pathetic!

Agree with that. I can see using softball as leverage to get into a better school, but going the other direction makes no sense at all.