Home to 1B and Home to Home base speed?

[Sam]

The standard clocking process:

Runner has trailing foot on the back point of the plate. The runner goes when they are ready. Clock starts when the back foot leaves the ground. Its how the colleges do it....so they can easily compare speeds of players they recruit.

I'm not disputing the above is standard, from an at practice, human error, standpoint I like my method better because the timer can see the ball approaching the bat and anticipate the start the same way they can anticipate the finish. If your trying to run a stop watch and starting when the back foot leaves then I'm really timing the timer's reaction time as well as the kids speed and will probably tend to have faster times.

If it's at a combine and they have some mechanism at the plate and bag for timing that's obivously superior.

Here's the deal, fellas....you can have all the wonderful methods for timing a player's speed that you want...if you are doing it at tryouts.....IF you are doing it to put on their Players Profile Sheet and hand this document to college coaches at showcases...you need to time them the way I mentioned.

If you are timing at contact, you are turning a 2.8 runner into a 3.1 runner and you are treating RH hitters differently from LH hitters. Home to 1B is only 1/4 of the base path. She also has to play the other part of the game...defense.

[GIMNEPIWO]

The standard clocking process:

Runner has trailing foot on the back point of the plate. The runner goes when they are ready. Clock starts when the back foot leaves the ground. Its how the colleges do it....so they can easily compare speeds of players they recruit.

I'm not disputing the above is standard, from an at practice, human error, standpoint I like my method better because the timer can see the ball approaching the bat and anticipate the start the same way they can anticipate the finish. If your trying to run a stop watch and starting when the back foot leaves then I'm really timing the timer's reaction time as well as the kids speed and will probably tend to have faster times.

If it's at a combine and they have some mechanism at the plate and bag for timing that's obivously superior.

Here's the deal, fellas....you can have all the wonderful methods for timing a player's speed that you want...if you are doing it at tryouts.....IF you are doing it to put on their Players Profile Sheet and hand this document to college coaches at showcases...you need to time them the way I mentioned.

If you are timing at contact, you are turning a 2.8 runner into a 3.1 runner and you are treating RH hitters differently from LH hitters. Home to 1B is only 1/4 of the base path. She also has to play the other part of the game...defense.

It may very well be the way Colleges do it ... and is probably the way you should do it to put on a players profile sheet ... but although it seems to put all the players on a level playing field, I say it does not give you an accurate home to 1st time ... ( I like Donnies method better than mine, which is to start them in the box, bat in their hand in their batters stance or hitting a soft toss ... ) using my method I see a big difference in gals home to first time versus their 1st to 2nd time ... Often I see gals who are some of the slowest home to first are some of the fastest 1st to 2nd ... many time its the bigger hitters or larger gals ...
... And as Sam points out ... home to 1st is a very small part of the game ...

[Gone in 2.6]

I've posted about this before, but I have no idea what this number means. The number they have for my DD from her travel team is just plain silly. College coaches often had out their stop watches when DD was batting. I'm sure for them, the relative measurements meant something.

Usain Bolt runs his first 20 in 2.87, Carl Lewis in 2.96 in 1988:

http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/

Before you start about the moving start, & 20 yards vs 20 meters, etc, I find it very hard to believe that all these girls listed on all these travel team web sites could outrun Mr. Bolt out of starting blocks his first 20 yards.

It is likely legitimate if you are doing the same thing to rank all your kids, but beyond that? -- Whatever.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

1. In track the clock is started by the gun, the athletes have to react to the sound then go. That's a big chunk of time, probably as much as two tenths.

2. Twenty meters is considerably longer than twenty yards. Another big chunk of time.

3. Many youth coaches time their slappers with the running start/at contact as opposed to Bolt being statue still in blocks, trying not to DQ. Another big chunk of time.

4. Softball players are timed by middle aged coaches with "friendly" stopwatches while track athletes are timed electronically with Acutrak (it is widely accepted that the error margin for hand timing in track makes the times lower by .26. This is why the results of hand timed meets are NOT ACKNOWLEGED nor do they qualify you for CIF).

Bolt's 2.87 in the 20 meter would probably be a 2.1 (or better) home to first.

[CheckWriter]

I reiterate: whatever.

[Gone in 2.6]

Oh, well who can stand in the face of such a well thought out and
reasonable response.

I stand corrected.

[DonnieS]

Oh, well who can stand in the face of such a well thought out and
reasonable response.

I stand corrected.

Being the coward I am, I tell the kids to give me the camp website that their home to first and home to home speeds are posted and I copy it from there.

Name Home_2_1st Home2Home Camp
Janie DoeEyes 3.21 14.4 Speed IS Us

[watcher]

I've posted about this before, but I have no idea what this number means. The number they have for my DD from her travel team is just plain silly. College coaches often had out their stop watches when DD was batting. I'm sure for them, the relative measurements meant something.

Usain Bolt runs his first 20 in 2.87, Carl Lewis in 2.96 in 1988:

http://speedendurance.com/2008/08/22/usain-bolt-100m-10-meter-splits-and-speed-endurance/

Before you start about the moving start, & 20 yards vs 20 meters, etc, I find it very hard to believe that all these girls listed on all these travel team web sites could outrun Mr. Bolt out of starting blocks his first 20 yards.

It is likely legitimate if you are doing the same thing to rank all your kids, but beyond that? -- Whatever.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

1. In track the clock is started by the gun, the athletes have to react to the sound then go. That's a big chunk of time, probably as much as two tenths.

2. Twenty meters is considerably longer than twenty yards. Another big chunk of time.

3. Many youth coaches time their slappers with the running start/at contact as opposed to Bolt being statue still in blocks, trying not to DQ. Another big chunk of time.

4. Softball players are timed by middle aged coaches with "friendly" stopwatches while track athletes are timed electronically with Acutrak (it is widely accepted that the error margin for hand timing in track makes the times lower by .26. This is why the results of hand timed meets are NOT ACKNOWLEGED nor do they qualify you for CIF).

Bolt's 2.87 in the 20 meter would probably be a 2.1 (or better) home to first.

So your saying my kids 2.6 to 1st won't hold water ? lmao