PGF perspective on the ASA JO Cup - Full Count article

[Goldball4]

You know, there will be 2 sides to everything, for as long we live. Some of you only see pgf in your head. They really are trying to take over evrrything, sadly. It will never happen! Triple crown has gained huge ground on them. Asa is going to be in charge again soon. I dont see how the money as a prize, is any different than a team being fully sponsored. Batbusters by mizuno, crackers by louisville, teams being sponsored by some rich dude who flies kids in from anywhere. Its all the same to me. Money, or free everything.

Honestly, would we be having this discussion, if pgf would just leave everyone else alone? They changed things to ruin asa's west coast national. We have to choose now, instead ofvpossibly playing both. Is trying to tarnish someones legacy, which will never happen, so important?

I was watching a 12u rec game the other day. 2 coaches are yapping at each other from across the field about, pulling fast ones, or trick plays vs. One another. I couldnt help but think of, what the 24 12ugirls were thinking. The game is their game, not ours. But egos get in the way!

[Ed Hill]

And why, so they can fatten some travel ball coach's wallet?

Ha ha. I hope that you are kidding in regards to this statement. The sole reason that PGF was founded was to fatten the wallets of Hay, Hanning, Rico, etc. The bs about better competition, etc. is just merely a smoke screen.

[Dugout Dad]

And why, so they can fatten some travel ball coach's wallet?

Ha ha. I hope that you are kidding in regards to this statement. The sole reason that PGF was founded was to fatten the wallets of Hay, Hanning, Rico, etc. The bs about better competition, etc. is just merely a smoke screen.

Players or parents cannot receive any of the prize money per NCAA rules, so where does it go?

[Dugout Dad]

I think ASA is trying to flex their muscles & play their only card - (The National Team sanctioned body) & is doing so in the same way other sports do (without the prize money). However without softball in the Olympic's & that being the be all end all goal they're shooting blanks (IMHO) & how can tjbd33 compare baseball where boys have opportunities for a real career that pays monster $$$$ to softball is typical but apples & oranges in my book.

My thoughts exactly. Comparing softball and baseball is apples and oranges. MLB Baseball scouting and sponsors filter down a ton of money through exposure events and they have control, and they make the rules, and everyone is ok with that. That level of money does not exist in softball and everyone is fighting for a comparably tiny amount of money that mostly comes out of parent's pockets.

[tbjd33]

I think ASA is trying to flex their muscles & play their only card - (The National Team sanctioned body) & is doing so in the same way other sports do (without the prize money). However without softball in the Olympic's & that being the be all end all goal they're shooting blanks (IMHO) & how can tjbd33 compare baseball where boys have opportunities for a real career that pays monster $$$$ to softball is typical but apples & oranges in my book.

My thoughts exactly. Comparing softball and baseball is apples and oranges. MLB Baseball scouting and sponsors filter down a ton of money through exposure events and they have control, and they make the rules, and everyone is ok with that. That level of money does not exist in softball and everyone is fighting for a comparably tiny amount of money that mostly comes out of parent's pockets.

Do you have boys? If yes, do they play baseball and have they gone through travel, scout ball, showcase ball (yes they are different!), college recruiting and if good enough draft discussions with potential advisors?

Doesn't sound like it... Cause boys that have a chance to sniff that draft $$$ out of HS you can count on one hand. Majority of families spend a ton of unnecessary $$$ for exposure.

There are many levels of baseball recruiting and most are apples to apples with softball...

[AlwaysImprove]

I think ASA is trying to flex their muscles & play their only card - (The National Team sanctioned body) & is doing so in the same way other sports do (without the prize money). However without softball in the Olympic's & that being the be all end all goal they're shooting blanks (IMHO) & how can tjbd33 compare baseball where boys have opportunities for a real career that pays monster $$$$ to softball is typical but apples & oranges in my book.

My thoughts exactly. Comparing softball and baseball is apples and oranges. MLB Baseball scouting and sponsors filter down a ton of money through exposure events and they have control, and they make the rules, and everyone is ok with that. That level of money does not exist in softball and everyone is fighting for a comparably tiny amount of money that mostly comes out of parent's pockets.

Do you have boys? If yes, do they play baseball and have they gone through travel, scout ball, showcase ball (yes they are different!), college recruiting and if good enough draft discussions with potential advisors?

Doesn't sound like it... Cause boys that have a chance to sniff that draft $$$ out of HS you can count on one hand. Majority of families spend a ton of unnecessary $$$ for exposure.

There are many levels of baseball recruiting and most are apples to apples with softball...

So. PGF is doing great. Most people are happy.

Some folks in ASA land are unhappy cause they are largely out of the loop.. They create a crappy tournament founded on a crappy boys concept. Now since this is the way boys do it, we must abandon what we like to join this new thing?

[Ed Hill]

And why, so they can fatten some travel ball coach's wallet?

Ha ha. I hope that you are kidding in regards to this statement. The sole reason that PGF was founded was to fatten the wallets of Hay, Hanning, Rico, etc. The bs about better competition, etc. is just merely a smoke screen.

Players or parents cannot receive any of the prize money per NCAA rules, so where does it go?

It goes to the travel ball team to buy new uni's, practice equipment, field maintenance, etc.! Not too hard to figure that one out.

[PDad]

Do you have boys? If yes, do they play baseball and have they gone through travel, scout ball, showcase ball (yes they are different!), college recruiting and if good enough draft discussions with potential advisors?

Doesn't sound like it... Cause boys that have a chance to sniff that draft $$$ out of HS you can count on one hand. Majority of families spend a ton of unnecessary $$$ for exposure.

There are many levels of baseball recruiting and most are apples to apples with softball...

My son played in USA Softball's 16U championships twice, so I was fairly familiar with how baseball operated. I found softball to be much different when my DD moved to travel around the same time. Please explain how different levels of baseball recruiting match up with softball.

[exD1dad]

Hey tjbd33 my DD's HS had three 1st round draft picks in baseball in the last 4 years, sure they had college $$ & NLI signed but did they go to college? NO How many fingers you got left for the rest of the country? DD #1 had 2 players go Pro the year before she entered her HS (a different private school here in SoCal), you may have heard of 1 since he just signed a monster contract...Giancarlo Stanton

Did any softball player ever go straight from HS to the Pro's ? (that's rhetorical )

[Dugout Dad]

And why, so they can fatten some travel ball coach's wallet?

Ha ha. I hope that you are kidding in regards to this statement. The sole reason that PGF was founded was to fatten the wallets of Hay, Hanning, Rico, etc. The bs about better competition, etc. is just merely a smoke screen.

Players or parents cannot receive any of the prize money per NCAA rules, so where does it go?

It goes to the travel ball team to buy new uni's, practice equipment, field maintenance, etc.! Not too hard to figure that one out.

So, player's families fork out $400 each to play in this $6000 entry fee tournament so MAYBE they can win some $$ for practice equipment, shovels and rakes? LOL.