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[MoeFoes]

Rumor has it that UIC's of PGF, TCS, and ASA have brought this guy in to do Mel's games.....

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[NumeroUno]

Good thing the umpire was not an empire

[Safebyahare]

Good thing the umpire was not an empire

Was that a Star Wars joke? Well,, Star Wars is owned by Disney now, and like this thread, it's just not the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCp6kzXK_6w

[Sam]

So....jtat32,

What is the punishment? What have we all learned?

A). Don't intentionally throw at an umpire if the game is being recorded because.......nothing will happen to you? You will still get to coach on an elite organization team and continue to coach however the hell you wish.

That'll show him.

The sport hasn't disciplined bad actors in the past and it has lead to this barbaric display. The governing bodies can ban this coach, suspend him,put him on some type of probation......something, for Christ's sake. Similarly, the team could take action........God save us all.....the PARENTS could take action and walk away from the team.

Blaming the umpires for taking some minuscule level of futile action because they don't see anyone else doing a thing to punish the coach is laughable. They are simply filling an obvious void.

500,000 views on YouTube may only result in a recruiting bonanza. The scorn of the softball community isn't so powerful.

[Baller]

The real question here is what is happening to our society. How can the actions of Mr. Siever's ever be condoned or merely insinuated that there was some justification to his actions. There is no doubt in my mind that he orchestrated this action. The truth is by using these girls he proved what a true coward he is. My dd would never play for an organization that he is affiliated with. The man is obviously a coward or he would not have put these young ladies in such a precarious position. Surely these young ladies knew this was wrong, but what I feel has been lost here is that we are the moral compass for our girls. There is no lynch mob mentality here. I agree with Black Widow's statement "I guess when people decide that "they" is really us then something might be done?" Because the truth is that this affects all of us. If something isn't done, what is the message we are sending to our girls? I showed my 13 yr. old dd, and she was appalled. The real question is would this discussion ever even have made it to the bucket without the video, or would it have been "swept under the rug?" After all, it happened over 2 mos. ago.

[anonlooker]

All this talk about what message are we sending our girls, and what are we teaching our kids, and there's not a single parent who has come on here and said their kid thinks this was okay.

So the concern is that these kids who don't think it's okay will now change their minds? We're worried that all the girls will start drilling umpires, slashing tires and keying cars??

That's just absurd.

If anything, any girl who might have thought this was okay before is now learning that it's not okay at all. And they're also learning that if your coach tells you to do something you don't agree with, then just don't do it. (Which could lead to some interesting scenarios down the road )

Look back to when Mike Fox attacked an opposing coach and was choking him during a game in front of players, parents and fans. A few weeks later he was rewarded by moving up into the Batbusters organization. Did this lead to a mad rush of coaches attacking each other? Or players choking their opponents? Did the bleachers and dugouts turn into World Wide Wrestling arenas? Did colleges stop recruiting Batbusters players? Did anybody blackball Fox or his team? No, no, no, no, and not that I ever heard.

This incident won't lead to an open season on umpires. It won't turn a bunch of kids into little hoodlums. Give that nonsense a rest.

[jtat32]

So....jtat32,

What is the punishment? What have we all learned?

A). Don't intentionally throw at an umpire if the game is being recorded because.......nothing will happen to you? You will still get to coach on an elite organization team and continue to coach however the hell you wish.

That'll show him.

The sport hasn't disciplined bad actors in the past and it has lead to this barbaric display. The governing bodies can ban this coach, suspend him,put him on some type of probation......something, for Christ's sake. Similarly, the team could take action........God save us all.....the PARENTS could take action and walk away from the team.

Blaming the umpires for taking some minuscule level of futile action because they don't see anyone else doing a thing to punish the coach is laughable. They are simply filling an obvious void.

500,000 views on YouTube may only result in a recruiting bonanza. The scorn of the softball community isn't so powerful.

Not sure if you're really asking me what I think the punishment should be, but I'm the wrong guy to ask - I don't claim to know enough about this particular case. I do agree that there should be some consequence to him for this. My opinion would be that it should depend on his past history, and should include no input from the court of public opinion (except maybe on the org's end, as they have a program to maintain). If this is part of a bigger problem, then maybe he should be banned. If it's an outlier, then probation is probably sufficient.

What did we learn? Hopefully we learned/remembered/reinforced that we adults should not act like a d-bags in our involvement in a kids' game. That goes for coaches, umpires, and parents alike. In my opinion there was some of this exhibited by all of the parties involved in this incident, and it escalated to the embarrassing conclusion.

[Sam]

All this talk about what message are we sending our girls, and what are we teaching our kids, and there's not a single parent who has come on here and said their kid thinks this was okay.

So the concern is that these kids who don't think it's okay will now change their minds? We're worried that all the girls will start drilling umpires, slashing tires and keying cars??

That's just absurd.

If anything, any girl who might have thought this was okay before is now learning that it's not okay at all. And they're also learning that if your coach tells you to do something you don't agree with, then just don't do it. (Which could lead to some interesting scenarios down the road )

Look back to when Mike Fox attacked an opposing coach and was choking him during a game in front of players, parents and fans. A few weeks later he was rewarded by moving up into the Batbusters organization. Did this lead to a mad rush of coaches attacking each other? Or players choking their opponents? Did the bleachers and dugouts turn into World Wide Wrestling arenas? Did colleges stop recruiting Batbusters players? Did anybody blackball Fox or his team? No, no, no, no, and not that I ever heard.

This incident won't lead to an open season on umpires. It won't turn a bunch of kids into little hoodlums. Give that nonsense a rest.

The point is that the lack of response to the incident you reference leads to incidents like this one. So what might be next?

You have no idea what these girls do later in life. Defendants plead for leniency every day in court based on their terrible upbringing and lack of positive role models. They claim that they are influenced by their parents and others close to them. Many juries believe them.

I know that coaches have influence on their players. Many of my ex players have told me so.

I wasn't talking about a message to the girls. I was asking what message was the coach trying to send to the umpire by using 17 year old girls to injure him.

[Sam]

So....jtat32,

What is the punishment? What have we all learned?

A). Don't intentionally throw at an umpire if the game is being recorded because.......nothing will happen to you? You will still get to coach on an elite organization team and continue to coach however the hell you wish.

That'll show him.

The sport hasn't disciplined bad actors in the past and it has lead to this barbaric display. The governing bodies can ban this coach, suspend him,put him on some type of probation......something, for Christ's sake. Similarly, the team could take action........God save us all.....the PARENTS could take action and walk away from the team.

Blaming the umpires for taking some minuscule level of futile action because they don't see anyone else doing a thing to punish the coach is laughable. They are simply filling an obvious void.

500,000 views on YouTube may only result in a recruiting bonanza. The scorn of the softball community isn't so powerful.

Not sure if you're really asking me what I think the punishment should be, but I'm the wrong guy to ask - I don't claim to know enough about this particular case. I do agree that there should be some consequence to him for this. My opinion would be that it should depend on his past history, and should include no input from the court of public opinion (except maybe on the org's end, as they have a program to maintain). If this is part of a bigger problem, then maybe he should be banned. If it's an outlier, then probation is probably sufficient.

What did we learn? Hopefully we learned/remembered/reinforced that we adults should not act like a d-bags in our involvement in a kids' game. That goes for coaches, umpires, and parents alike. In my opinion there was some of this exhibited by all of the parties involved in this incident, and it escalated to the embarrassing conclusion.

The answer is that nothing is being done about this and nothing will be done. We have learned nothing because the organizations that run this sport have no balls and apparently don't give a shit about their players or game officials. Feel free to continue assaulting umpires everybody! It's open season!

[anonlooker]

Open season! What will all of this lead to next?!

Who knows for sure, but here are some things to watch out for:

- When a player steals a base, she actually steals the base. This will lead to an acute shortage of bases, giving rise to a thriving black market where Base Futures on the CBOT go through the roof, and dozens of families (and las familias) from Downey to Corona will start adding second stories, backyard BBQ pits, and dog fighting arenas to their homes.

- watch for coaches who bury IEDs under second and third base, and just blow the legs off any opposing player in scoring position. The injuries won't be a problem because Obamacare is here to fix everything. And the shortage of good players means that kids who can't get past first base will now be getting full rides to college. So the glass is half full, but still, keep a close eye on coaches that struggle in PGF qualifiers, and who can't get their kids recruited; especially if the coach has a military background, is in law enforcement, or smokes pot. (Stoners love explosions!) In other words, keep an eye on everybody.

- if you have a stud pitcher, be on the lookout for snipers on nearby rooftops and old growth forests. They might be shooting frozen peas at the back of your pitchers thigh while she's in mid-delivery, causing her crow hop to expand to a full-blown goose step. Opposing runners will get loads of free bases, your team will lose by even more than normal, and your studs scholarship will disappear as her K/BB ratio goes upside-down and strains the limits of credibility, while opposing fans taunt her with Sieg Heil salutes and Jay-Z anthems. It could get ugly out there.

Those are just three, and probably obvious to everyone. So please chime in if you know of any not-so-obvious, really bizarre behavior we should look out for from coaches. Because it's open season now, and we need to circle the wagons against the coming horde of super-villain coaches.