12u Fall tryouts-Who are favorites & sleepers going forward?

[jbl1465]

I like the ranking, Pop has my vote to take over the ranking. A little rough on the FH Gold coach but other than that right on the money.

[texmex45]

Yeah, way better than my weak-assed ranking. Nice work dude (or dudette). BUT...

HB is built on opinion that stimulates debate, sometimes friendly and sometimes not-so friendly. When stating opinion on organizations & coaches, the blurred line between opinion and fact needs to be less blurred. Bashing orgs and coaches, unless based on fact (e.g. coach A robbed a liquor store last night because I saw it in the newspaper) probably adds little to your otherwise fine work.

[POP Time]

Yeah, way better than my weak-assed ranking. Nice work dude (or dudette). BUT...

HB is built on opinion that stimulates debate, sometimes friendly and sometimes not-so friendly. When stating opinion on organizations & coaches, the blurred line between opinion and fact needs to be less blurred. Bashing orgs and coaches, unless based on fact (e.g. coach A robbed a liquor store last night because I saw it in the newspaper) probably adds little to your otherwise fine work.

Tex I couldn't agree more. I don't think I bashed any orgs, I would say anything written about the Org's is based on fact which has come from how they have handled themselves in the past as well as the present. Can these things be changed? Yes, over time. Will they be? For the many of them, NO...

As for my personal thoughts on coaching, absolutely what I wrote is my opinion only. Example Breeze... I think Kevin Warren is a great coach and really knows the game. I am sure their are others who would say I am nuts. There are different styles of coaches for everyone and that is what is so great about having as many options as we do in 12u. Only reason I threw the coaches and orgs in is so that people can see my opinion and see that I am not basing my thoughts on my like or dislike for a coach or org. It is out there for all to see and people should take it as just that, my opinion.

Like you stated "opinions stimulate debate sometimes friendly sometimes not-so friendly."

[jbl1465]

Well said Pop. I like the opinions in there even if I don't agree with all of them. I will say I did like the way the Breeze coaches went about business last tournament. I am curious though, was the Perez comments personal or just what you've seen?

[POP Time]

I am curious though, was the Perez comments personal or just what you've seen?

A little of both. I have had many talks with the man and personally think he is an idiot. I have watched him coach for a year or so and think the way he carries himself is disgusting. I know at least a few on the team who would second my thoughts. When half or more of your team shows up to other teams tryouts after the spring/summer I would say that speaks volumes. I really think if 1 or 2 of your players had jumped the entire thing would have come apart and FH Gold 01 would be gone or irrelevant at this point.

Please keep in mind you asked, I answered and this has nothing to do with the girls, I think they are great and are a very good team. I simply think they would do a lot better under a better coach and under someone who wants to push them to be more then just the top team in Sacramento.

[jbl1465]

I asked and thanks for an honest answer. Now back to the ranking.........

[Saywhat44]

Pop, welcome back! I can't wait to see the hate and lies you spread this time around. It hasn't taken long to see the teams you hate. Unfortunately I know little about those teams or I'd have chimed in. Beware 12U parents of pop time.

[texmex45]

I was one of the folks that welcomed POP and the fact that he was taking over the rankings. One thing Louie never did was get personal or let a personal dislike get in the way of objective rankings.

POP, I still welcome you despite SayWhat's warning. By the way SayWhat, thank you for the warning. If I may make a suggestion, keep the personal stuff out....it just distracts from some of the positives that the rankings can showcase. Anybody can attack from behind a username, and I have done it myself. Be better than that! Thanks dude

[jbl1465]

I was the one who asked for his opinion and he put it out there. I like his ranking and his style of breaking down team,org,and coach. I don't agree with his opinion of Perez but I can appreciate it. As far as beware of POP, beware of what? This is just a website of guys and girls with 12 yr old daughters that play softball. I don't think any of us take it as anything more than that. I don't base decision on this information or lose sleep because some unknown guy doesn't think my daughter is the top pitcher. It's just fun to sit down with a beer or three and talk about this great game and these athletes that play it. I also like that we have the ability to share our opinions without it affecting our kids (except me...duh). Pop keep it up and stay classy.

[texmex45]

JBL....yeah, I guess so. I just don't like to see hard working (my assumption) folk get crapped on, that's all. How about we bring this thread full circle and get back to just rankings? We can always start a new thread to allow for verbal assaults, etc. Good luck this weekend.