King High School Defeat

[hilaryC]

56kid aka HilaryC. The irony of my Avatar reflected in your dual-screen-name approach on this thread seems to elude you. Too bad because it seems hilarious to me. And no, I am not a HS Coach. There's no way I'm qualified for that role.
And Spaz, your use of the adjective "esteemed" was too kind, albeit perhaps a slight exaggeration.

Avatar aka man slapping himself silly LOL! you know "dual-screen name apaproach lol! Thanks for helping everyone on the process of elimination. Since you're not a HS coach then that only leaves the sick individual lurking over fences and enjoying watching softball girls being abused.

[hilaryC]

You keep mentioning an "abusive situation". If this was truly the case and my daughter was involved I would have already persued action with the school or removed her from the situation. Your assumption that no other avenues of action in dealing with coach's abusive conduct would be erroneous. It is only HS softball, why would you leave her in an environment that is as negative and damaging as you describe? This is more than just HS softball. This is our community. This is our girls high school where they have established friends, these are their teen high school years, these are their high school memories. WHY SHOULD THEY RUN? These teachers are paid with our tax dollars. Every person working in private industry that doesn’t have the luxury of PERS that our tax dollars contributes to and every business large and small that pays taxes and contributes to these teachers retirements THAT’S WHO HAS THE RIGHT NOT TO RUN from this coach. THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO be in THEIR FACE and find out WHY this is HAPPENING?

If this were a math, English or geometry teacher would we take out daughter(s) and run? No we would address it. Yet when it comes to sports and these coaches the best suggestion is run?
REMEMBER the untouchable Penn State/Peterno/Sandusky anyone? It just took brave people to stand up and not give up.

While you are very adept at using red colored font you are not quite as adept at reading comprehension. I never said running away was your only option. I said I would have taken action with the school.
Have you done anything through the proper channels of the school to find out " why this is happening" or just come on here with your accusations of abusive behavior?
And as an aside any injustice you think your kid has been subjected to in HS or TB will pale in comparison to what they will experience if they pursue ball in college. Then who will you complain to?

I'm pretty good with the green color to. I never said you said it was the only option and you are also assuming in your scarcasm that other steps are not already in motion and i'm not talking about college; and talking about reading comprehension let's stay on subject HS.

[hilaryC]

You keep mentioning an "abusive situation". If this was truly the case and my daughter was involved I would have already persued action with the school or removed her from the situation. Your assumption that no other avenues of action in dealing with coach's abusive conduct would be erroneous. It is only HS softball, why would you leave her in an environment that is as negative and damaging as you describe? This is more than just HS softball. This is our community. This is our girls high school where they have established friends, these are their teen high school years, these are their high school memories. WHY SHOULD THEY RUN? These teachers are paid with our tax dollars. Every person working in private industry that doesn’t have the luxury of PERS that our tax dollars contributes to and every business large and small that pays taxes and contributes to these teachers retirements THAT’S WHO HAS THE RIGHT NOT TO RUN from this coach. THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO be in THEIR FACE and find out WHY this is HAPPENING?

If this were a math, English or geometry teacher would we take out daughter(s) and run? No we would address it. Yet when it comes to sports and these coaches the best suggestion is run?
REMEMBER the untouchable Penn State/Peterno/Sandusky anyone? It just took brave people to stand up and not give up.

Going to the Sandusky analogy? Well now. That is creepy.
You have annoited yourself one of the "brave people". Excellent. Tomorrow morning, log out of HB briefly, and you and 56 march into the King AD's office and demand an immediate firing of the HC. Otherwise, I will conclude that you are really just another disgruntled parent who is positive that your DD is a varsity starter. Raging on HB about the injustices being perpetrated at King isn't accomplishing your goals.
Upon your triumphant return from King, please log back in and let me know when i can expect to see that HC job posted up on EdJoin. Thanks and good luck.

Creepy is that you think one form of abuse is more acceptable then another form of abuse. Ya! i'm on it Rose. Tomorrow i'm heading to MLK and do as you say. Your input, your conclusions, you intelligence impresses me to no end kinda like a democrate LOL! I'm on it like bees on honey lol!

[56kid]

I appreciate all the collateral support/damage from my post and I am very thankful that on the surface level a viral conversation has started concerning this coach. My post was in support of a kid(s) other than my own so it is difficult for me to talk about the specific actions to be taken as I can only give general advice. I spoke up after seeing firsthand IMO an unjust treatment of a kid during the Torrance Tournament and I am also very aware of several specific issues recently and over the years and I just wanted to get the conversation about the issues at this school out in the open. Isn't the first step identifying a problem or should we all just hide from it?

TD and Spazsdad: My take on any high school vs college is a simple one: If the kid is over 18 they had better have learned to fend for themselves and speak up for themselves and pretty much handle their business. However, this lesson is a progressive lesson formed over time. If a kid is under 18...then I believe they deserve the protection of the parent, coach, school etc. If this was an all senior team...I would have been most likely not to inject my opinions at all.

TD and Spazsdad: I've read a lot of comments about the poster(s) and of course comments about other thoughts on this issue. Neither of you have offered any words of advise for the girl who hit the home run in the semi-final game only to not touch the field during the Championship game in which King lost 5-2. Does this happen a lot because I haven't' seen it very often. I've seen kids in the dog house and when they are hot it's even hard to deny them opportunities. This is a memory the coach (good or bad) etched in the head of this kid. No explanation as to why...no pinch hit opportunity during the Championship game in which she need runs to win. It's a game of streaks...sit the cold ones...play the hot ones until something changes.

Back to my original post...THIS COACH IMPEDS the ability of this kids to be successful and these kids do want to win...it's not just giggles to them! I am surprised the leaders on the team (if the coach allows their to be any) weren't asking her why she benched this player for the Championship game...who's to say to she wouldn't have been the difference in winning or losing. Or aren't the leaders allowed to take ownership of their team, season, and success?

I have time until I am faced with the decision of what to do with my daughter, but from what Ive seen and heard about this coach, she will be going down the street with a few of her friends. Everyone says King plays in the best league with the best talent but I've decided that isn't important enough to take the risk of if this coach is gone or changes her ways.

Just create a positive environment for these girls and if you can't do that...step down. Create a positive emotional environment for these kids to physically and emotionally develop...is that too much to ask? Shouldn't that be job priority number one when you take a position mentoring kids...especially like everyone says..."it's just high school"

I watched a webcast today with a college coach where he said he judges success by the positive impact he has on the lives of every player on his roster. To that point...giving the player who hit that home run an opportunity to play in the Championship game would have been positive...a pinch hit (less positive but still ok) but nada nothing (that's just abusive to that player). Again, what lesson does that send/teach to that kid. Performance doesn't matter........I THE COACH IS ALL THAT MATTERS when it should be the kids that matter.

This is my last post on the subject....if I am alone on this point (which if you know this program I am certainly not alone)...then so be it...but now that it's out there maybe the coach will have more eyes on her and make an effort to make KHS a positive environment of these young girls to develop and be successful.

[exD1dad]

Hey Hilary C I don't know who HB poster Tyler Durden is (I do like his posts) but it seems painfully obvious you never saw "Fight Club" maybe you did & were too busy staring at Brad Pitt's abs to really understand the entire story, the affect, control & positive life changing leadership that TD had on his disciples in the movie. IMO TD's avatar is hilarious.

You say softball is more than a game its a community: I'm sure 10's of thousands in your community could give a rats ass about softball unless of course you have thousands come to every game to support your team, then I'd be wrong, & that wouldn't be the 1st time. My DD hasn't ever had even 75 fans in HS, back in my day even in the snow I'd wrestle in front of 750 to 2000+ twice a week, that was community fan support that sadly my DD will never experience in HS

[hilaryC]

Hey Hilary C I don't know who HB poster Tyler Durden is (I do like his posts) but it seems painfully obvious you never saw "Fight Club" maybe you did & were too busy staring at Brad Pitt's abs to really understand the entire story, the affect, control & positive life changing leadership that TD had on his disciples in the movie. IMO TD's avatar is hilarious.

You say softball is more than a game its a community: I'm sure 10's of thousands in your community could give a rats ass about softball unless of course you have thousands come to every game to support your team, then I'd be wrong, & that wouldn't be the 1st time. My DD hasn't ever had even 75 fans in HS, back in my day even in the snow I'd wrestle in front of 750 to 2000+ twice a week, that was community fan support that sadly my DD will never experience in HS

Anddd? what does all your bs stated above have to do with the price of tea in china? and you can put your horn away enough of you tuturing your horn about how you walked or wrestled or you did something in the snow this was never about you.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Hilary, the issue is in HS softball I see the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. An entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy sh*t we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

[exD1dad]

Mr wonderful I salute you as a prime example of a person who is living in reality

Hillary, I believe you will never get "it" as long as you live your deluded life. Perhaps I can help you understand. 1) With 51 sports teams @ my DD's HS & 2/3 of the student body participating in said athletics she will NEVER have as you put it "community support" everybody is too busy with their own lives, agendas. work, problems, yada yada yada, it's sad because I've been fortunate enough to receive your so called "community support" & was attempting to point that out. Everyone who's even "laced em up" appreciates competing in front of a crowd 2) I don't know the team, didn't see the semi final home run & have no idea the qualifications of the coach but that doesn't matter because he/she are the coach for better or worse.

You sound like a combination of a neophyte & a shrill, but that's just my jaded opinion based upon your posts. The coach probably has a reason for doing what they do, it's their team & like it or not HS athletics is what it is, where sometimes talent has less to do with a player playing than say ...seniority or past performance or whatever. It even happens on the college level, but thats another topic

Life isn't fair & even if the AD laughs in your face I'm sure we'll get a different story

[lostintranslation]

56kid, It is one thing to get on HB and vent about a situation. It is unfortunate that you had to come on here and address the school, coach and team and call them all out on a public form. It is obvious that you are upset that your daughter was not included in the championship game, and you have a long history with this coach that we are not fimiliar with. However, I wonder if you have given any consideration to the rest of the players on the team, and that includes your DD. Walking the campus today couldn't have been easy for any of them.

Last week in the sports section of the PE King HS was listed as one of the top 10 teams in the IE. I believe you said the program is "pretty thin" with players. You have insulted every young lady on that team. You also compared a junior player to a freshman and added that she only had 4 hits for the season. I wonder how that kid felt going to school today, while her peers were all talking about your post. Can we also assume from your post that the freshman shouldn't be on the field? I wonder how the girls all look at each other now? I would bet that your post was the talk of the school today, not the fact that the team took 2nd place in the tournament.

I would think that every player on your team plays with heart and has a desire to win. Life isn't always fair and how we teach our children to succeed inspite of that will be the greater life lesson.
It is my opinion that you have done more damage than good. It is not all about one player, one play, one hit or one game. It is a team effort that goes beyond the hour and thirty on the dirt. A lot goes into building a team...commitment, trust, support, hard work, friendship and respect. Your post was like a water bomb to an ant hill.

If your accusations have merrit then you need to take it up with the AD, maybe you and HillaryCrazy can rally the troups and take care of this in the proper form, at the school.



Let the girls play. I'm pretty sure they have all earned the opportunity to do so.

[56kid]

If this was about one player, one game, or one season I wouldn't have brought it to this forum. It is my understanding that several parents over the years have brought their own specific examples to the AD and not much has been done. The girls on this team are aware of very specific examples just in their time in this program including watching friends/teammates transfer and/or quit. I just want to see some action before I am faced with the decision of driving my kid past King to another school just out of fear of subjecting her to this coach!!!

Perhaps the merits of each specific past or current situation didn't/doesn't require administrative action but from my vantage point it's the cumulative sum of all her actions to numerous kids this year and over the years that compelled me to bring it to this forum. However, it is my opinion hat the administration has failed to conduct a due diligent investigation at any level. You can refer to me a crazy...but what is crazy is how many kids have transferred or quit this program and no one has looked into it?

Just a private interview by the administration with the current and/or past players would most likely satisfy this community.

Hillary C is right about one thing, in our society we now have a zero tolerance policy for physical abuse and there should be a similar policy for emotional abuse.