Wildcats 12u Fall Ranking 2012

[10alltheway]

What was the order of finish?

[IESoftballDad]

This is what was posted on the St, Patty's Day Blast website...

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
2. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. Artesia Punishers 2000 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. Strike Force - White 12U
6. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
6. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
6. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
6. Utah Elite 2000 12U
7. California Cruisers-Orrantia 12U
7. Combat Panthers 12U
7. Corona Angels-Tyson 12U
7. Fury 12U
7. Lady Magic 12U
7. Lil Rebels Black 12U
7. No Doubt 12U
7. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
7. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
8. Arizona Wildfire 12u 12U
8. USA Athletics-Vasquez 12U
9. 2000 AZ Cats 12U
9. Bownet -Constantine 12U
9. Bustos Elite 12U
9. California Thunder (Michaels) 12U
9. Firecrackers 01 - Thornburg 12U
9. Liberty2000 12U
9. SLC Pegasus 2000 12U
9. Utah Hot Shotz 01 12U
9. Xpress 12U
10. OC Batbusters 01 12U
10. Power Surge 2000 Teal 12U
10. Quakes00 12U
10. SoCal Wicked Black 12U
11. California Grapettes-Ervin 12U
11. California Grapettes-Kahwaty 12U
11. OBS Monarchs 12U
12. AZ Hotshots-00 Gonzo 12U
13. AZ Hotshots 2001 12U
13. Central Coast Athletics-00-Homer 12U
13. Colorado Crush Nunn 12U
13. Fresno Force Fitch 12U
13. KBA 2000 12U
13. Northern Colorado Stars 01 12U
13. Pacific Pride 12U
13. TeamSmith Ruben 12U
13. Worth Thurndercats 12U
14. All American Sports Academy 12U
14. AZ Cougars 12U
14. Fresno Force - 01 (Rodriguez) 12U
14. Lady Spartans 01 12U
14. Las Vegas Sun Devils 12U
14. Lil Rebels Red 12U
14. Lil Saints 12U
14. Pride 12U
14. Strike Force 12U
14. TBA 12U 12U

[PDad]

This is what was posted on the St, Patty's Day Blast website...

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
2. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. Artesia Punishers 2000 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. Strike Force - White 12U
6. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
6. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
6. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
6. Utah Elite 2000 12U
...

That's GameChanger's pitiful take based on overall record - including pool games and consolation bracket.

Here's top 10 based on bracket (http://lvtourneys.com/StPaddysDay_2/brackets/12U.php):

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
3. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
9. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
9. Liberty2000 12U
9. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
9. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
9. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
9. Combat Panthers 12U
9. Strike Force - White 12U

[Baller]

Damn that's a whole lotta ties.

Yeah, you could say we came in 14th (out 60 teams), and you actually came in last

[25! & 28!]

This is what was posted on the St, Patty's Day Blast website...

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
2. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. Artesia Punishers 2000 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. Strike Force - White 12U
6. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
6. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
6. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
6. Utah Elite 2000 12U
...

That's GameChanger's pitiful take based on overall record - including pool games and consolation bracket.

Here's top 10 based on bracket (http://lvtourneys.com/StPaddysDay_2/brackets/12U.php):

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
3. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
9. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
9. Liberty2000 12U
9. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
9. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
9. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
9. Combat Panthers 12U
9. Strike Force - White 12U

What am I missing that it's not:

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
4. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
8. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
8. Storm 2000 12U
8. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
8. Hype Fastpitch 12U
15. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
15. Liberty2000 12U
15. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
15. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
15. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
15. Combat Panthers 12U
15. Strike Force - White 12U

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[PDad]

Here's top 10 based on bracket (http://lvtourneys.com/StPaddysDay_2/brackets/12U.php):

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
3. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
9. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
9. Liberty2000 12U
9. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
9. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
9. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
9. Combat Panthers 12U
9. Strike Force - White 12U

What am I missing that it's not: You shouldn't leave yourself open like that on here...

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
4. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
8. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
8. Storm 2000 12U
8. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
8. Hype Fastpitch 12U
15. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
15. Liberty2000 12U
15. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
15. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
15. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
15. Combat Panthers 12U
15. Strike Force - White 12U

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It is standard to use the higher place when teams are tied. Examples: 2012 PGF and 2012 ASA 18G

[TR05]

Great Tourney. Lots of great Teams and lots of great games. Thanks jynx 00 Powered by Mizuno Ramos/ Moronez Rancho Cucamonga

[25! & 28!]

Here's top 10 based on bracket (http://lvtourneys.com/StPaddysDay_2/brackets/12U.php):

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
3. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
3. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
5. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
5. Storm 2000 12U
5. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
5. Hype Fastpitch 12U
9. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
9. Liberty2000 12U
9. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
9. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
9. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
9. Combat Panthers 12U
9. Strike Force - White 12U

What am I missing that it's not: You shouldn't leave yourself open like that on here...

1. OC Batbusters-Moore 12U
2. Firecrackers 12u - Araujo 12U
4. So Cal Athletics (Tidd/Ornelas) 12U
4. So Cal Wicked Acuna 12u 12U
8. So Cal Athletics Mercado 01 12U
8. Storm 2000 12U
8. 00 Hotshots Elite 12U
8. Hype Fastpitch 12U
15. So Cal Athletics - Kajitani 12U
15. Liberty2000 12U
15. Jynx Powered by Mizuno 12U
15. USA Athletics-Porter 12U
15. SoCal Breakers - Steele 12U
15. Combat Panthers 12U
15. Strike Force - White 12U

??????????????????????????

It is standard to use the higher place when teams are tied. Examples: 2012 PGF and 2012 ASA 18G

Yep, you are right! I checked your references and looked it up on Wikipedia. It is literally called standard competition ranking. So despite the lack of logic and the complete overturn of 4th grade ordinal math, I stand corrected.

The bright side is that you could have gone to Vegas, lost all three pool games, and lost the first bracket game and then correctly say, "Well, we got 31st out of 59 teams. Not too bad!"

[PDad]

Yep, you are right! I checked your references and looked it up on Wikipedia. It is literally called standard competition ranking. So despite the lack of logic and the complete overturn of 4th grade ordinal math, I stand corrected.

According to Wikipedia, the method you used is called modified competition ranking. How is it more logical to say the 3rd best record is 4th or the 5th best is 8th? I understand why some people might want to use it, but it seems like a glass-half-empty kind of approach. Neither competition ranking method adheres to ordinal math - 4th grade or otherwise.

FWIW, the ASA orders of finish could be assigned true ordinal rankings because they are in sequence according to tie breakers. ASA just chooses to rank them only by where they finished in the bracket.

[25! & 28!]

Yep, you are right! I checked your references and looked it up on Wikipedia. It is literally called standard competition ranking. So despite the lack of logic and the complete overturn of 4th grade ordinal math, I stand corrected.

According to Wikipedia, the method you used is called modified competition ranking. How is it more logical to say the 3rd best record is 4th or the 5th best is 8th? I understand why some people might want to use it, but it seems like a glass-half-empty kind of approach. Neither competition ranking method adheres to ordinal math - 4th grade or otherwise.

FWIW, the ASA orders of finish could be assigned true ordinal rankings because they are in sequence according to tie breakers. ASA just chooses to rank them only by where they finished in the bracket.

Well, my acknowledgement of your, or the, method used was meant to end the issue. But since you asked. There is nothing more logical to me than if 15 teams play in a tournament scenario and 7 of them are deemed, by losing in the first round and having no other means by which to judge themselves against the other 7, to be the worst of the 15 that they be logically considered anything higher than tied for 15th, or last. Ninth place as last place in a field of 15 is highly illogical.

Now, and I am genuinely interested,what would make you say that neither method adheres to ordinal math?

Please PM me because this has to be boring the cr@p out of everyone except you and me.