onlooker...
EXcuse me as I am kind of out of the loop when you are talking about the LM coaches or the TC coaches. I am not very familiar with who is who in the younger age divisions any more, so excuse me for my ignorance:) My point really had zero to do with the coaches you are speaking about because I dont really know them form Adam.
I was just speaking in general about a coaches ability vs what they did in their former life as a player:)
NorCal
Any time a thread takes a turn and starts talking about a coach being a former player or not being a former player and what it means, you can beat damn sure ILB is going to chime in, thats a fact.
Coming from someone who played and coached at collegiate level, and was coached by former players and by non-players, if I had a choice I would take the former player, and not because they played the game, because they know what it likes to be treated with respect or in some case no respect, so most of the former players turned coachs get "that" and turn into great communicators. Now can former players turned coachs be a holes, you bet, but most former players understand how to treat their players because they been through hell and back as a player and would never want someone else to be treated that way. Now are there former players turned coachs that cant teach the game, sure, that goes both ways with former players and non-players. Now there is a lot that goes into this that would take me paragraphs to explain but those of you that have been through this at a high level understand.
This goes for all sports at all levels, until you get a paycheck for playing
PLZ dont bring up the old fart NFL or MLB coachs that never played the game, its old!
Coming from someone who played and coached at collegiate level, and was coached by former players and by non-players, if I had a choice I would take the former player, and not because they played the game, because they know what it likes to be treated with respect or in some case no respect, so most of the former players turned coachs get "that" and turn into great communicators. Now can former players turned coachs be a holes, you bet, but most former players understand how to treat their players because they been through hell and back as a player and would never want someone else to be treated that way. Now are there former players turned coachs that cant teach the game, sure, that goes both ways with former players and non-players. Now there is a lot that goes into this that would take me paragraphs to explain but those of you that have been through this at a high level understand.
This goes for all sports at all levels, until you get a paycheck for playing
PLZ dont bring up the old fart NFL or MLB coachs that never played the game, its old!
- Kool-Aid
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kool aid...
I will make it even clearer, I see people on this board giving massive praise to lots of coaches on this board... and they suck!
Whether they were players or not. I guess I cant get any more clearer than that.
All you have to have is a clue and watch some of their games to see this. A team can win a game despite their coaches inadequacies.
Lots of coaches in college suck.
How bout this that happened last week.
team A is tied in the top of the 7th inning. Team A has a runner on 2nd base with 2 outs and up steps the number 4 batter who is hitting like .600 and has more than twice as many RBIs as any other player in the conference. Did I say that first base is open???????????
Only an IDIOT would pitch to that kid, but yep, you guessed it. They pitched to her and they lost... and that opposing coach that made the decision to pitch to that kid is getting a paycheck... and a big one at that. You think that paycheck, or the fact that the coach is a former player helped them in that situation?
Many times situations are not so black and white, but if that isnt black and white, I dont know what is.
A coach is a coach is a coach. You can either coach or you cant... no matter where you come from, what you did in past. You can do it, or you cant.
kollaid,
I will talk softball all day long. Stop worrying about who I am and focus on what I am saying. It helps to have a nice discussion on softball related issues:)
Stanislaus st coach STINKS and gets a paycheck, and probably played a s aplayer. For some reason, half her team quit last season, but she know what it takes right? She is getting a paycheck, and has been getting one for sometime now.
I will make it even clearer, I see people on this board giving massive praise to lots of coaches on this board... and they suck!
Whether they were players or not. I guess I cant get any more clearer than that.
All you have to have is a clue and watch some of their games to see this. A team can win a game despite their coaches inadequacies.
Lots of coaches in college suck.
How bout this that happened last week.
team A is tied in the top of the 7th inning. Team A has a runner on 2nd base with 2 outs and up steps the number 4 batter who is hitting like .600 and has more than twice as many RBIs as any other player in the conference. Did I say that first base is open???????????
Only an IDIOT would pitch to that kid, but yep, you guessed it. They pitched to her and they lost... and that opposing coach that made the decision to pitch to that kid is getting a paycheck... and a big one at that. You think that paycheck, or the fact that the coach is a former player helped them in that situation?
Many times situations are not so black and white, but if that isnt black and white, I dont know what is.
A coach is a coach is a coach. You can either coach or you cant... no matter where you come from, what you did in past. You can do it, or you cant.
kollaid,
I will talk softball all day long. Stop worrying about who I am and focus on what I am saying. It helps to have a nice discussion on softball related issues:)
Stanislaus st coach STINKS and gets a paycheck, and probably played a s aplayer. For some reason, half her team quit last season, but she know what it takes right? She is getting a paycheck, and has been getting one for sometime now.
- Iluvblue
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Iluvblue wrote:kool aid...
I will make it even clearer, I see people on this board giving massive praise to lots of coaches on this board... and they suck!
Whether they were players or not. I guess I cant get any more clearer than that.
All you have to have is a clue and watch some of their games to see this. A team can win a game despite their coaches inadequacies.
Lots of coaches in college suck.
How bout this that happened last week.
team A is tied in the top of the 7th inning. Team A has a runner on 2nd base with 2 outs and up steps the number 4 batter who is hitting like .600 and has more than twice as many RBIs as any other player in the conference. Did I say that first base is open???????????
Only an IDIOT would pitch to that kid, but yep, you guessed it. They pitched to her and they lost... and that opposing coach that made the decision to pitch to that kid is getting a paycheck... and a big one at that. You think that paycheck, or the fact that the coach is a former player helped them in that situation?
Many times situations are not so black and white, but if that isnt black and white, I dont know what is.
A coach is a coach is a coach. You can either coach or you cant... no matter where you come from, what you did in past. You can do it, or you cant.
kollaid,
I will talk softball all day long. Stop worrying about who I am and focus on what I am saying. It helps to have a nice discussion on softball related issues:)
Stanislaus st coach STINKS and gets a paycheck, and probably played a s aplayer. For some reason, half her team quit last season, but she know what it takes right? She is getting a paycheck, and has been getting one for sometime now.
Bucket Gold right there.
- noncrazynorcal
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ILB, you missed my whole point and maybe you should read what i write instead of worrying about what your going to reply with all the freakin time.
When your a PLAYER earning a paycheck, let me rephrase this AGAIN, when your a PLAYER earning a PAYCHECK, meaning your a PROFESSIONAL and its your J O B, you cannot pick and choose your coachs, its your J O B to get the J O B done, you cant decide you dont want to play for the team UNLESS you dont want a J O B anymore.
When your an AMATEUR (not earning a paycheck) choosing a TB team or HS team or even a college to play for, you are NOT earning a paycheck and therefore have more in the decision making process of who your playing for, albeit why i would choose to play for a former player, who has been through the highs and lows as a PLAYER not a dad or a coach, has been through an a hole of a coach or two and hated it, AND understands and respects the kids and the game. Now I know you would never know this as from what I have been told you never played anything beyond grammar school, so that explains a lot of this.
Please dont go into the "retention" thing, its old
I already know and have read a million post by you that even Candrea sucks and nobody is better than you, its comical. Sure there are a lot of coachs that lack skills, let me ask you when is last time you held a hitting clinic, if so what do you teach?
read before you respond, and dont flatter yourself i could care less "who you are", you are in your own little softball world, get outside the bubble and get a touch of reality
When your a PLAYER earning a paycheck, let me rephrase this AGAIN, when your a PLAYER earning a PAYCHECK, meaning your a PROFESSIONAL and its your J O B, you cannot pick and choose your coachs, its your J O B to get the J O B done, you cant decide you dont want to play for the team UNLESS you dont want a J O B anymore.
When your an AMATEUR (not earning a paycheck) choosing a TB team or HS team or even a college to play for, you are NOT earning a paycheck and therefore have more in the decision making process of who your playing for, albeit why i would choose to play for a former player, who has been through the highs and lows as a PLAYER not a dad or a coach, has been through an a hole of a coach or two and hated it, AND understands and respects the kids and the game. Now I know you would never know this as from what I have been told you never played anything beyond grammar school, so that explains a lot of this.
Please dont go into the "retention" thing, its old
I already know and have read a million post by you that even Candrea sucks and nobody is better than you, its comical. Sure there are a lot of coachs that lack skills, let me ask you when is last time you held a hitting clinic, if so what do you teach?
read before you respond, and dont flatter yourself i could care less "who you are", you are in your own little softball world, get outside the bubble and get a touch of reality
- Kool-Aid
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Wow,this went from talking about 12U teams to Olympic players/coaches to bagging on college coaches, It's amazing the crap that goes on here!!!
- Dramafreedad
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I have to hand it ILB, he is the MASTER of derailing a thread. He can chime in in the middle of four other posts and make it about him, and the scary part about it, he will continue without even knowing, no one cares.
- Kool-Aid
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noncrazynorcal wrote:Iluvblue wrote:kool aid...
I will make it even clearer, I see people on this board giving massive praise to lots of coaches on this board... and they suck!
Whether they were players or not. I guess I cant get any more clearer than that.
All you have to have is a clue and watch some of their games to see this. A team can win a game despite their coaches inadequacies.
Lots of coaches in college suck.
How bout this that happened last week.
team A is tied in the top of the 7th inning. Team A has a runner on 2nd base with 2 outs and up steps the number 4 batter who is hitting like .600 and has more than twice as many RBIs as any other player in the conference. Did I say that first base is open???????????
Only an IDIOT would pitch to that kid, but yep, you guessed it. They pitched to her and they lost... and that opposing coach that made the decision to pitch to that kid is getting a paycheck... and a big one at that. You think that paycheck, or the fact that the coach is a former player helped them in that situation?
Many times situations are not so black and white, but if that isnt black and white, I dont know what is.
A coach is a coach is a coach. You can either coach or you cant... no matter where you come from, what you did in past. You can do it, or you cant.
kollaid,
I will talk softball all day long. Stop worrying about who I am and focus on what I am saying. It helps to have a nice discussion on softball related issues:)
Stanislaus st coach STINKS and gets a paycheck, and probably played a s aplayer. For some reason, half her team quit last season, but she know what it takes right? She is getting a paycheck, and has been getting one for sometime now.
Bucket Gold right there.
All u nor cal parents r boring me the topic is 12u winter watchlist so n two weeks in vegas r when u come down to so cal and play some so cal top teams please post.hate to brag but everyone knows so cal is on top of the food chain.
- tvarg
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I agree with you kool-aid he does seem to sabotage threads all the time and it does end up about him or what he does,it's actually pretty funny and kind of sad that he feels the need to talk himself up all the time! 
lets keep this thread about the 12u teams!
lets keep this thread about the 12u teams!- Dramafreedad
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Dramafreedad wrote:I agree with you kool-aid he does seem to sabotage threads all the time and it does end up about him or what he does,it's actually pretty funny and kind of sad that he feels the need to talk himself up all the time!
I second and third that motion about Iluvblue!!!
I would never have my DD go play for his org just because of him.
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