12u 00/01 Winter Watchlist by Louie UPDATED

[Sbstuby]

It's just to bad people just can't have fun with this topic. I never understand why people has to blast a team or coach. If you don't like the coach or team just move on. Chango, you talked about Magic being to good of a team to play around hear, then after one tourney your tearing them apart. Give me a break, these are 12 year olds. Have fun people

[Chango15]

Linedrivelouie,
I agree that it is early - I think I said this. However, early or not, when you have a stacked team of 13 players, I dont care if it's November or June, you should not be home on Sunday by 10:00 am. Dont forget, most of these girls take private lessons and work on their own. So even if the team is not practicing, they surely are.

You said teams that have been playing together have an advantage. I agree. The Hype is a team that has been playing together for several years! They come out and tie a first year '01 team. Come on, this is noteworthy indeed! It's not the end all, but it is noteworthy.

If I recall, you ranked the teams back as early as December 4th! So lets see, its too early to rank teams in March but not too early in December. Okay.....

[uncle]

I agree, it is early. Those teams that have 20+ games do have some sort of advantage. That's why they are successful and on top of the game early. Nothing wrong with team rankings early. Some are on top of their game and some aren't.
Every team struggles time to time. Because Hype tied does it make the weak? Absolutely not! Some days teams are off but for the most part they always find a way to compete.

[onlooker]

I would not be so quick to say that this lady magic team is like team california. If that is the case, then of the 13 girls, maybe 3 still will still be competing at a top level a short 2 spring later. At least that is how it has turned out for the "select" TC team. Quite a difference in the 2 teams selection process. Magic took 2 teams and made one and added a couple. TC had a "lets say relationship based selection process". Add to that 5 pitchers that werent grangers DD and you have a team that if started today would only have about 3 of the top 99 players, a far cry from good judges of talent....so, yes, failure was coming regardless of who was coaching. I would suspect this is NOT the case with magic. Magic has one thing going against it outside of this bucket community)....coaching. That is a far cry from what TC had. So is the formula for success to be compared like this

Would you rather have:
1 - so so talent and 2 to 3 studs with olympic coaching?
2 - 6 to 8 super talented kids with normal 12U coaching?

For team wins I take #2
For DD growth I take #1
Personally, I want the talent from 2 but the coaching from 1....

Which leads me to the point of watered down! we need to get the best 12 kids together..JUST ONCE! which is still my reasoning behind most of my posts....

eta: "lets say relationship based selection process"

[Iluvblue]

1 - so so talent and 2 to 3 studs with olympic coaching?



You talking Mike Candrea coaching????? What is "Olympic coaching?"

[Sftball Junkie]

With tryouts almost complete for many of the teams this is how I see things shaping up over the winter months. Being that I get a lot of my info direct from coaches during the season and from watching teams play I have some teams who I need a little help with. If I have anything incorrect or if you have any insight on teams and any key moves or lack there of it would be appreciated You can PM me if you wish or if you have the ability to keep it classy please post it for the world to see. Remember these are 12 yr olds and chances are you have one too. If I missed your team please let me know and we can add them to the watch list.

3. Lady Magic: This is a bold move by both party's. I have listed this team in the top 5 based on the players on paper. This team should compete well however combining 2 teams is always difficult to make last with out imploding because of parents. Wish them the best.


7. KG Hitters: I heard this team rolled over some players again?? They were always hot and cold in Fall will be interesting to see what they put together

Here You Go Chango this is what was in posted in December about Magic during tryouts, If you notice the topic of this thread was WATCH LIST not RANKINGS the teams were not even finalized yet. I know you have yet to show that you are smart enough to tell the difference but let me help you out. This list was based on how teams played in fall and on paper how they might stack up ounce the season gets rolling.

KG was listed in the 7 spot based on info that they had rolled over players. If you look at the roster that is not correct the core group is still very strong. Either way why you are so shocked that a team in the top 10 (Magic) lost to another team in the top 10 (KG) during ITB makes no sense to me. Break these teams down a lot of talent on both, pretty good coaching on both. Both of these teams are evenly matched. The difference between the two teams is one team team has an entire fall together.
As for Hype, are you kidding me??? They tied an 01 team on Saturday in March... That's worth taking note of??? For what??? How about 6 runs allowed in 3 games 24 runs score beat a strong KG team in pool play. If I had to put $$ on being Saturday they batter 11 or 12 and moved players in and out

I know based on your ignorant statements of the past Magic should be playing 18g by now and just rolling through everyone in the nation. Remember one thing, all they did when they created this team was combined the players from 2 top 10 teams to start the core. It's not like they went and picked the best players from each team out there. Hell they didn't even take the best players from Breeze and Heat when they did it. People want to keep comparing Magic and the old TC. Whether you combined good cores or pick the top player from each team out there (Which by the way the old TC players were not) they still have to learn to play together. Why do you think the old TC could not pull it out over Garcia when they played? Why do you think it took Miami Heat a few seasons when they tried it in the NBA? Players have to learn to play together at all levels.

Go back to predicting who should be playing 14u 16u and 18g from the 12u group at least we could all get a laugh in.

[Chango15]

My...my...Sftball Junkie...such anger

I now see that Linedrivelouie and Sftball Junkie are the same person.

With that said, your own quote and words prove my point about the list in December. Your words, regarding the Magic - "I have listed this team in the top five based on the players on paper." Okay, so lets see, you listed them in the "TOP" five but this is a watch list?? You also say it is too early to rank them - Ha! You cant have it both ways Sftball Junkie (Linedrivelouie).

Like the others, you are good at personal attacks but there is no substance to your words nor do you address the FACTS. The Magic and Hype and Rapids all underacheived this weekend - period. It doesnt mean that they cannot bounce back. But again, they all underacheived!!

If you want to post something, address the FACTS and stop the childish personal attacks.

[onlooker]

1 - so so talent and 2 to 3 studs with olympic coaching?



You talking Mike Candrea coaching????? What is "Olympic coaching?"

olympic/national team credential coaching...excuse me....

[Iluvblue]

I guess my point was ... what exactly does that mean or translate to on the field? I am not so sure what it means, But just by having some" Credential" doesnt mean much to me.

My wife doesnt have a degree but has a position that only those with a Master Degree can hold in her company... and some of those that have "Credentials" are not good at running their division.

As Tom Cruise said... SHOW ME THE MONEY, or in our discussion, show me the coaching:)


At Champions cup for 16u 2 years ago we beat some team coached by former all americans from UCLA and AZ... or at least that is what I was told, but that didnt keep us from squeezing and stealing third on that team because their players were out of position.... but damn they had all american coaches...


Dont get so caught up in what someone did as a PLAYER is my point.

[onlooker]

Your point is understood but in the context of TC it is meaningless....I figured by now it goes without saying. but just in case....

the TC coaches are not in question here...that topic is not open for discussion, they are everything you hope to have as a coach, once, for a half hour, or for a season or high school career.