Uncle, I'm sorry nothing personal but your premise is all wrong.
"Nothing wrong with Magic." Do you not forget that this team recruited the top players in the area. They are not 8-9 players deep. They are 13 players deep!! There is something wrong when a team like this cannot get past the first game on Sunday and loses a friendly to a weak team - Friendly or not. You add this to the rumors of internal problems among the players from the former Heat and Breeze players and we now have another Team California. A team with all the talent in the world on paper, but underacheiving on the field.
Yes, they have a good team (on paper), but something is wrong when a team with this much talent can't compete on Sunday and is home by 10:00 am. You say they represent Norcal?? I hope not.
Norcal 12 teams are all watered down. Norcal teams cannot compete with the southern cal teams nor anyone else. Too much daddy ball in the area.
You are obviously associated with the team and maybe a coach. You cant pull the wool over our eyes....a lot wrong with the - NO MORE MAGIC.
NorCal
Chango - I understand the problem now and forgive you for your senseless and uneducated opinions. Your daughter (but really it was you wasn't it?) were denied at some point the opportunity to be part of the Magic or were affiliated with the Heat or Breeze and think that the first tourney of the year proof that if they just had your daughter (but really you wish you were out there dont' you?) they would be a contender.
Well you have really made your point here... The Magic should hang it up after one and done on MARCH 3! The probably won't gel as a team and probably won't get used to playing with each other more and probably won't ever have any success (unless of course you strap on the jock and get out there yourself right?) this year. If I recall correctly, the Giants didn't really start the year off all that well last year and they what?
Well you have really made your point here... The Magic should hang it up after one and done on MARCH 3! The probably won't gel as a team and probably won't get used to playing with each other more and probably won't ever have any success (unless of course you strap on the jock and get out there yourself right?) this year. If I recall correctly, the Giants didn't really start the year off all that well last year and they what?
- skoufax
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Chango15 wrote:Uncle, I'm sorry nothing personal but your premise is all wrong.
"Nothing wrong with Magic." Do you not forget that this team recruited the top players in the area. They are not 8-9 players deep. They are 13 players deep!! There is something wrong when a team like this cannot get past the first game on Sunday and loses a friendly to a weak team - Friendly or not. You add this to the rumors of internal problems among the players from the former Heat and Breeze players and we now have another Team California. A team with all the talent in the world on paper, but underacheiving on the field.
Yes, they have a good team (on paper), but something is wrong when a team with this much talent can't compete on Sunday and is home by 10:00 am. You say they represent Norcal?? I hope not.
Norcal 12 teams are all watered down. Norcal teams cannot compete with the southern cal teams nor anyone else. Too much daddy ball in the area.
You are obviously associated with the team and maybe a coach. You cant pull the wool over our eyes....a lot wrong with the - NO MORE MAGIC.
Disgruntled much? It's Tuesday after the 1st tournament of the year and you're trying to sign a death warrant. Slow down and take a deep breath. You don't like the Lady Magic, we get that. But that doesn't mean they can't continue to improve as they play throughout the season.
Team California was a different in how it was put together and no one on the Bucket has said that any Norcal team is ready to compete with the best down in L.A.
- noncrazynorcal
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This is for Chango15, wow such a hater towards the magic team now after the first little tournament of spring for this team! Just a month ago if you look back at your older post you were ranting and raving about magic! Your no more magic crap that you keep talking about shows your ignorance! These are 12 year old girls that we are talking about and a new team at that, even though these are seasoned girls in travel ball they still are new playing together and playing in alot of positions that they haven't been playing in on their last teams, things take time to develop as a team! Look how long the top 4 teams in last weekends tournament have been playing together for! Not to mention all 4 teams have played in tournaments already and lots of friendlies!! Give me a break, after one tournament you are trash talking the way you are,lol. Who is your daughter playing for?? You seem to claim to know so much about the magic team and claim that they secretly have been playing in a multitude of friendlies if that is so, against who and where?? I think you need to tone it down alittle on your obvious hate towards magic, there is no need for your no more magic comments after one tournament! Let it play out and I'm sure you will be eating your own words soon enough!
- Dramafreedad
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just 2 years ago a norcal 12u team finished 3, about 5 years ago, another one finished 3, and 2 years ago(maybe 3, im getting old) a 14u team won asa nationals (prior to premier) and about 5-6 a 16u won asa, and about 4 years an 18g won asa Gold... all from Norcal. So to say norcal can not compete with socal shows how little you actually know.... oh, 2 years ago 18g finished 3rd from norcal, and last year I believe 18g finished 2nd from norcal for Premier.
Thats just off top of my head without thinking much.
Thats just off top of my head without thinking much.
- Iluvblue
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Iluvblue
I think they meant that none of the 12U teams are ready. Are there any of the coaches in the 12U age group that finished that high? It's still way too early to call it quits on Lady Magic. It takes a while to build trust in each other. That's true of any team at any age.
I think they meant that none of the 12U teams are ready. Are there any of the coaches in the 12U age group that finished that high? It's still way too early to call it quits on Lady Magic. It takes a while to build trust in each other. That's true of any team at any age.
- newASAparent
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I have not seen many of the teams on the list, but just answer this question and you will know if they can actually have a shot at a top 3 finish.
Do any of these 12u teams have a SHUT DOWN DOMINANT PITCHER....... if they dont, they have no shot.
Doesnt mean they arent good, doesnt mean they dont have talent, but no matter how good the 8 surrounding players are, if the circle doesnt dominate, you cant win a NATIONAL championship in Premier or ASA.
Do any of these 12u teams have a SHUT DOWN DOMINANT PITCHER....... if they dont, they have no shot.
Doesnt mean they arent good, doesnt mean they dont have talent, but no matter how good the 8 surrounding players are, if the circle doesnt dominate, you cant win a NATIONAL championship in Premier or ASA.
- Iluvblue
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I've been watching this thread from the outside and I have to interject. I saw a number of games in Antelope this weekend and I have to say, I was not impressed at all with the Magic team nor the Hype. I thought they were going to be by far the strongest teams out there. I agree it is early but still, the Lady M team is weak at pitching. I saw the Hype game and they tied a '01 team? My first thought was that maybe these teams have not been practicing or arent holding quality practices. I was just not impressed and shocked quite frankly.
Go easy on Chango15. He has a point.
Go easy on Chango15. He has a point.
- Turret94
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Wow...I guess the TRUTH does hurt.
Looks like three Magic coaches or parents trying to do damage control. Notice how all three did not address the FACTS. They only attacked the messenger (Me) - a true indication that they are personally involved in the organization and attempt to attack anyone who says soemthing negative about them - very Clinton-like. Dont get lost in the FACTS, just attack and accuse.
SKoufax: Nice allegation and attack on my daughter. The facts are that I never said the Magic should hang it up. Why do you put words in my mouth? As for the Giants, you could make a point but then your point fails the logic test when you factor in the Yankees, Marlins, Red Soxs, Dodgers, etc....all teams that had all the talent (on paper), started and ended badly....again FACTS...Get it?
Noncrazynorcal: Expressing FACTS does not mean one is disgruntled. Team California was different? How? Both teams pretty much selected who they wanted.
Dramafreedad: You're right! Thanks for reminding me. I was raving about the Magic a couple months ago and that is my precise point! "Something is wrong" with the Magic. I have prasied them in the past and now the FACT is that they are underachieving, that's all. No personal involvement here just stating the FACTS. If you want to address the FACTS Dramafreedad, then do so. We are on to your personal attacks and accusations. "Just the FACTS Sir."
Iluvblue: Your attempt at logic, is not logical. "...two years ago...team finished 3...5 years ago another 3." To any logical person this would indicate (my point) that Norcal teams cannot compete with SoCal teams or at the National level. Only two teams at 3rd and 5th in 5+ years. Some of the best players in the country are right here in Norcal yet our teams cant compete. Why? Answer: "Daddy ball & Daddy coaches." No personal attacks just plain FACTS. 14, 16 and especially 18's are an entirely different animal. Many top players and teams are not interested in going to Nationals or even winning. Scholarships are what they are trying to acheive.
Bottom Line is that the Magic is a big disappointment after their first tournament and friendlies and now it appears true that they are having internal problems. Maybe they will come out of it, maybe they wont. A FACT is a FACT.
Looks like three Magic coaches or parents trying to do damage control. Notice how all three did not address the FACTS. They only attacked the messenger (Me) - a true indication that they are personally involved in the organization and attempt to attack anyone who says soemthing negative about them - very Clinton-like. Dont get lost in the FACTS, just attack and accuse.
SKoufax: Nice allegation and attack on my daughter. The facts are that I never said the Magic should hang it up. Why do you put words in my mouth? As for the Giants, you could make a point but then your point fails the logic test when you factor in the Yankees, Marlins, Red Soxs, Dodgers, etc....all teams that had all the talent (on paper), started and ended badly....again FACTS...Get it?
Noncrazynorcal: Expressing FACTS does not mean one is disgruntled. Team California was different? How? Both teams pretty much selected who they wanted.
Dramafreedad: You're right! Thanks for reminding me. I was raving about the Magic a couple months ago and that is my precise point! "Something is wrong" with the Magic. I have prasied them in the past and now the FACT is that they are underachieving, that's all. No personal involvement here just stating the FACTS. If you want to address the FACTS Dramafreedad, then do so. We are on to your personal attacks and accusations. "Just the FACTS Sir."
Iluvblue: Your attempt at logic, is not logical. "...two years ago...team finished 3...5 years ago another 3." To any logical person this would indicate (my point) that Norcal teams cannot compete with SoCal teams or at the National level. Only two teams at 3rd and 5th in 5+ years. Some of the best players in the country are right here in Norcal yet our teams cant compete. Why? Answer: "Daddy ball & Daddy coaches." No personal attacks just plain FACTS. 14, 16 and especially 18's are an entirely different animal. Many top players and teams are not interested in going to Nationals or even winning. Scholarships are what they are trying to acheive.
Bottom Line is that the Magic is a big disappointment after their first tournament and friendlies and now it appears true that they are having internal problems. Maybe they will come out of it, maybe they wont. A FACT is a FACT.
- Chango15
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Chango - reread post please..... Attack was on you not your daughter. And, if you are so sure Daddy ball is the problem, step up to the plate and coach.
- skoufax
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