12u 00/01 Winter Watchlist by Louie UPDATED

[noncrazynorcal]

I don't think the one way door has anything to do with a player who leaves mid season. Whether you are the #1 or #3 pitcher Catcher or Right fielder shouldn't have anything to do with allowing a player back. If you join a team in fall you commit to playing there from August to November. If you join a team for spring you commit to playing there from December to August. If you leave that team before the end of your commitment you have quit on that team. If you were a #1 pitcher, catcher, whatever who lost that spot during the season someone out worked you. Work harder and get it back. If you are #3 pitcher, catcher, whatever, work harder and earn that spot ahead of you, prove yourself and take the next spot above you. Quitting a team to become a starter somewhere else still means your a quitter. How about teaching your kid to work hard to achieve their goals. This is in no way a one way door approach. If a kid leaves at tryouts that one thing, if they leave mid season the should be cut off from ever returning.

The most I would do for that kid who quit on her team mid season then didn't qualify for Nationals would be to send her a post card from Nationals saying, we are having a great time you could have been here...

Don't get the Heat situation mixed up here. Heat had at least 4 maybe 6 players on that team who had quit on a team mid season to come play for him. I would hope there was little surprise when they turned around and quit on him for what they thought was the next best thing. That was how he got them there to start. That would be like dating someone who was screwing around on her partner just to have them do it to you down the road. Are you honestly that surprised???

Only on Honey Bucket would they be allowed to come back..

That all sounds great and I don't blame anyone trying to do things the right way. There's a large group of people in the softball world who are constantly on the lookout for greener pastures and there are even coaches who try to improve their teams with in season recruiting.

Now it looks like Cota left the Heat to go join OBS Monarchs. I wonder if we'll get that story from ILB!!

[Fly Out]

@Softball Junkie I think what ILB means is that if you walk from the team he's not releasing you from the roster, so you will sit until the season's over. Then you can find another team. Correct me if I'm wrong?

That doesn't work. If the coach of a team going to ASA nats won't release a player from their roster then the player just goes to a team that's going to PGF or TCS.

Either way it is not an issue. A coach can NOT hold a player from joining another team. ASA will not allow coaches to hold player cards or keep a player from leaving a team. All you have to do is contact your local ASA office and they will release the player. The only way a coach or an org can hold a players ASA card is if it is a financial thing. Even then the player is allowed to leave that team and be signed to the new team and play until there is a resolution through the proper ASA process.

For those of you who do not know this, every coach gets 2 player cards for each player. One is to stay with the team one is suppose to go to the parents of the player to avoid issues if a player does leave.

I personally would like to see ASA adopt a rule like many Comp Soccer leagues have. In some areas if a comp soccer player wants to leave a team mid season before they have completed their commitment they have to sit for 60 - 90 days on the new team before being eligible to play. Only exception is a pick up player, Both coaches then need to sign a form to allow that player to play during a regular season tournament. Once a team is knocked out of local Championship play or decided not to play local championship play all players are then released for pick up.

[Iluvblue]

ILB is coming to the rescue... so if you REALLY want to know how this works, read closely and pay attention, because what was written above is misinformation to the MAX.

First off, there is no story to tell about Cota joining us. he was put in contact with my by someone, we spoke at length about how I do things, he liked what he heard, he joined us. What happened before I dont know, dont care, so no story to tell:)

Ok, I am going to talk about ASA ONLY here. A team signs an OFFICIAL ASA roster. That means absolutely NOTHING until the PLAYER plays in an ASA qualifier. (make sure you understand what a qualifier is). Now once that kid plays in a qualifier with the team they signed the roster, they are LOCKED IN ON THAT TEAM for all future ASA CHAMPIONSHIP play... no matter what the coach does or does not do. There is NO SUCH THING AS A PLAYER release. That player is locked on that team for the rest of the season in regards to championship play for all ASA TOURNEYS. Your local ASA association can not release a player, the coach can not release a player, they are LOCKED.

Now, does that mean the player cant go play for another team? Nope, but she cant play for another team in ASA CHAMPIONSHIP play. Now once her team is no longer able to compete in qualifiers, that player can be a PICKUP player for a team that did qualify for nationals, and NOW your local association can add the player to another roster as a PICK UP PLAYER.

If player A signs that roster and then leaves the team without playing in any qualifier, they can then go to another team and sign a roster and they are fine. Forget the cards, that has nothing to do with keeping a player or letting them go. It is used to show they are registerd and have insurance.

[Iluvblue]

@Softball Junkie I think what ILB means is that if you walk from the team he's not releasing you from the roster, so you will sit until the season's over. Then you can find another team. Correct me if I'm wrong?

That doesn't work. If the coach of a team going to ASA nats won't release a player from their roster then the player just goes to a team that's going to PGF or TCS.

By the way, if a kid EVER wants to leave my team at any time..... see ya. I dont guilt them into staying, wont try to talk mom or dad into staying. I want kids that want to be on my team, so if they want to leave, leave. A friend of mine once told his parents, " If you want to leave, dont mutiny. Just jump ship, we will continue on without you."

I love that quote:)

The above is also correct, if a kid is locked into an ASA roster, that doesnt mean squat as far as the other sanctioning bodies go. it also doesnt mean squat for LOCAL non championship play tourneys.

[Fly Out]

ILB is coming to the rescue... so if you REALLY want to know how this works, read closely and pay attention, because what was written above is misinformation to the MAX.

Ok, I am going to talk about ASA ONLY here. A team signs an OFFICIAL ASA roster. That means absolutely NOTHING until the PLAYER plays in an ASA qualifier. (make sure you understand what a qualifier is). Now once that kid plays in a qualifier with the team they signed the roster, they are LOCKED IN ON THAT TEAM for all future ASA CHAMPIONSHIP play... no matter what the coach does or does not do. There is NO SUCH THING AS A PLAYER release. That player is locked on that team for the rest of the season in regards to championship play for all ASA TOURNEYS. Your local ASA association can not release a player, the coach can not release a player, they are LOCKED.

I to am only talking about ASA and I think we are saying the same thing. Remember in the older age groups the season is so short, by the time a player would leave rosters would normally be locked. I would think if you start late May and locked rosters Mid June it would be hard to quit a team in that few weeks. With the younger age group teams who start playing in feb or Mar if they leave mid season we are normally talking late April to mid May. If you try and add a player to your roster at that point and she is on another roster an error message comes up and you can not finish adding her. Which is why her coach can not ad that player to his roster until the coach from the other team has removed her from his or her roster. What I was saying is if her old coach is trying to hold her from playing or being added to the new roster by not removing her or releasing her it is as simple as contacting your local ASA office to get her released from that old coaches roster.

If player A signs that roster and then leaves the team without playing in any qualifier, they can then go to another team and sign a roster and they are fine. Forget the cards, that has nothing to do with keeping a player or letting them go. It is used to show they are registerd and have insurance.

I bring up player card for your exact reason. It proves the player is registered and insured. If you have an issue with a coach not releasing a player right away it is the only way for her new team to prove she is ASA registered and insured. During any ASA tournament prior to locking in If a roster check is requested by the opposing coach and you can not prove all players are ASA registered and insured the team is forced to forfeit. This has happened this last year and I am sure will happen again. If you leave before the team plays in a qualifier you still need the card to turn in at the qualifier with the signed roster.As for Championship play once your team is done and you would like to play for another team at say Nationals as a pick up player you need the card. Yes you can get temp cards, a new card or print the player page from the ASA site but it would be a lot less headache if you have the card. Just saying be proactive and get one of your daughters player cards. There is a reason ASA gives out 2 and it not so the coach has 2 copies.

Players can not be held from leaving a team but can be suspended from play after joining a new roster if they have not returned team equipment or if they have failed to pay team fees prior to leaving an org. Only after going through the proper steps of an ASA hearing.

[Iluvblue]

If you try and add a player to your roster at that point and she is on another roster an error message comes up and you can not finish adding her. Which is why her coach can not ad that player to his roster until the coach from the other team has removed her from his or her roster.



Is this how it works up there for ASA???? because it does not work like that down here. For NSA yes, but a coach can not go in and remove a kid from their ASA roster online down here. Just remember, there is NO SUCH THING AS A PLAYER RELEASE.

Also, not sure why a 12u team would get an ASA CHAMPIONSHIP roster signed in March or April. Registering a player on a team through the local association does NOT LOCK them to that team, only a signed ASA CHAMPIONSHIP roster does(actually that doesnt even do it, only AFTER the play in championship play with the team, are they locked), and you dont do those online. And, that roster gets redlined after they play in championship play, not before.

[noncrazynorcal]

You guys are right about the rules. I think some of us were mainly saying this was not a way a coach could punish a player who left during a season. The only real way is to move on without them and make them look back with regrets. Coaches shouldn't think that way but some do.

ILB, a lot of people respect you because you're direct and honest. I believe you when you say you have to like what you think a coach is bringing to your org before you accept them. There are going to be people who whisper that a coach's recent past history is relevant, but onward and upward I say.

I wish your new 10u Cota team the best of success this season.

[ICMTM]

@Flyout (forums need tagging! .php boards are so 2002 /endrant) Soccer does a better job of keeping talent groups together. Everything in comp baseball/softball is "open." If you sign up a comp soccer team and get it handed to you "the league" will relegate you. The majority of American born parents do not get the game AND they don't pretend to know it either. Therefore as long as the kid is happy, the team is positive, and they see progress (which with kids is not hard if they put in the time) they generally are happy.

The other difference between the two is when you fail in soccer (make a bad pass, get beat, miss a shot etc) it's not the end of the world. In fact nobody cares. Only the goalies have the same kind of judgement/pressure on them as other baseball players. If they don't make saves it kills you and everyone sees their errors. Soccer parents tend to miss the piss poor defending that happens leading up to that point.

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What is this Soccer you speak of?

[ICMTM]

What is this Soccer you speak of?

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