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I think the "top" 14's should stick to the plan, stay healthy and make a run at Premier, excited to see how deep they go. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching and timely hitting is the key, mixed in with a little luck!
- rbi
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RBI all good points. There may be a team based out of Silicon Valley that will be invited to PGF and can qualify for ASA. The reverse is true for SoCal. There could be a team that gets an invite to Premier down there and stays up here. Having two parents in the home you may not need to take 14 days per parent, and if you're local the kids/parents can share resources. As funny as I can be at the ball park they want my kid anyway...
Just saying it could work, and I was more so curious to see which teams were going to try and accomplish both?
GT23 brings up a second point. There could be an over zealous 14U team again that already has a 14U berth that registers 16U ASA. I do think that 16U is a weaker division top to bottom, but the top is better than 14U.
Just saying it could work, and I was more so curious to see which teams were going to try and accomplish both?
GT23 brings up a second point. There could be an over zealous 14U team again that already has a 14U berth that registers 16U ASA. I do think that 16U is a weaker division top to bottom, but the top is better than 14U.
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RBI.....I hear you and sounds like you have done this before....Just don't see that many Nor Cal 14's Teams getting PGF berths...
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GameTime23 - Posts: 312
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If any NorCal 14's are offered berths it will e cause of the organization they play with. Their are several teams that could qualify, and also get a berth to next years PGF through the Regional Qualifiers.
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GameTime23 wrote:rbi wrote:WHY? I sure the hell hope not, (i know SoCal A's 16's did something similar last year and did well) but, dammit what happens when your #1 starts experiencing arm problems late in the week, you keep playing, do you pull the plug and go down to PGF with an ailing #1, just not a good idea too many bad things can happen and only a couple good things.JMHO
RBI..Got you.....Close to home, cost and competitive games before PGF was the reason I asked.....
PGF 14U/16U will be the week before ASA 16U, not after. This could be a little easier on the players because they can get at least 2 days off between the tourneys and ASA only plays 1 game a day for the first couple days.
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GameTime23 wrote:RBI.....I hear you and sound like you have done this before....Just don't see that many Nor Cal 14's Teams getting PGF berths...
You had 7 in NorCal last Summer. 4 invites, 1 technicality, and two who qualified at qualifiers. Three of those teams are still in 14U so it will be interesting to see how the invites will be passed out.
In 16U I can see the Sting being all over this. They should be invited back to PGF so they can spend the summer chasing ASA. I can see Breeze 97 taking a shot at this as well, but they probably would have to earn both berth's? I think they have a case for an invite with a #3 finish in Colorado, #2 in Vegas, and earning their berth last year.
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Bucket is jumping with REAL softball talk.....Thanks gents!
PDaddy you're GOOD!!!!
Much better than that gobble-gobble-turkey talk !!!!!
PDaddy you're GOOD!!!!
Much better than that gobble-gobble-turkey talk !!!!!
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GameTime23 - Posts: 312
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Yes been through this and hate to see kids go down with abuse injuries, you have pitchers that have arm problems at age 13 and to me that should not be happening.
Furthermore when I look at some of these schedules that teams are playing and the amount of tourneys they are in and the amount of travel, it just BLOWS me away. Its just a recipe for abuse injury's, player burnout, parent financial crunch.
10's- maybe one or two MAX trips to LA is sufficient (just to gauge where you are) once in the Spring, once in the Summer, thats IT, otherwise its playing local every other weekend MAX! Have some practices, but not 5 hour marathons, jeez people 10's have the attn span of 10 minutes
12's- same thing here, two trips MAX to LA (excluding any national's), per yr to gauge yourself, then play local every other weekend, and practice practice practice, thats it!
14's- same thing here, couple trips to LA in a yr (excluding nationals) so you can see how you match up and see where you need to improve, and then go home and go to work, but you dont need to be playing every damn weekend!
16's- this age group in NorCal is on an island IMO, 16's are tough to coach, you cant keep the best talent as they are wanting to play gold, and you never know what your going to get. So you have to take each yr seperatly, I know my kids yr, we were LOADED and stunk the place up, so you never know what is going to happen. Kids need to be seen at this age group, but its not like you cant get into the good showcases if you do your work (Best of West being one). I know my kids yr we got in for the 1st time, and took home 2nd with quality teams everywhere and colleges everywhere, so pick wisely, but again you dont have to grind it out every damn weekend.
18G- The mad scramble to get committed, trips to LA are over the top, but its pretty much a must for kids to be seen. I think for most part coachs at this age group, "get it", and are not in to abusing kids in showcases, its just all about the $$ and back and forth down the state.
I know my kids team plays in HALF the amount of tourneys that i see on schedules of teams, now we pick and choose based upon experience but im just wandering why do coachs feel the need to grind these kids into the ground, what am I missing, someone please enlighten me?
FWIW!
Furthermore when I look at some of these schedules that teams are playing and the amount of tourneys they are in and the amount of travel, it just BLOWS me away. Its just a recipe for abuse injury's, player burnout, parent financial crunch.
10's- maybe one or two MAX trips to LA is sufficient (just to gauge where you are) once in the Spring, once in the Summer, thats IT, otherwise its playing local every other weekend MAX! Have some practices, but not 5 hour marathons, jeez people 10's have the attn span of 10 minutes
12's- same thing here, two trips MAX to LA (excluding any national's), per yr to gauge yourself, then play local every other weekend, and practice practice practice, thats it!
14's- same thing here, couple trips to LA in a yr (excluding nationals) so you can see how you match up and see where you need to improve, and then go home and go to work, but you dont need to be playing every damn weekend!
16's- this age group in NorCal is on an island IMO, 16's are tough to coach, you cant keep the best talent as they are wanting to play gold, and you never know what your going to get. So you have to take each yr seperatly, I know my kids yr, we were LOADED and stunk the place up, so you never know what is going to happen. Kids need to be seen at this age group, but its not like you cant get into the good showcases if you do your work (Best of West being one). I know my kids yr we got in for the 1st time, and took home 2nd with quality teams everywhere and colleges everywhere, so pick wisely, but again you dont have to grind it out every damn weekend.
18G- The mad scramble to get committed, trips to LA are over the top, but its pretty much a must for kids to be seen. I think for most part coachs at this age group, "get it", and are not in to abusing kids in showcases, its just all about the $$ and back and forth down the state.
I know my kids team plays in HALF the amount of tourneys that i see on schedules of teams, now we pick and choose based upon experience but im just wandering why do coachs feel the need to grind these kids into the ground, what am I missing, someone please enlighten me?
FWIW!
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RBI
You and I are on the same page.... that is why I DETERMINE what my teams do. I will not let me 12s and 14s travel down south more than once per season, which is 2 times per year, exactly what you said. I have been through this crap, and thus I am going to help my coaches understand the bigger picture and keep our parent's costs down as much as possible, and do exactly what you said. Stay home and get work done. You dont need to be in socal every weekend to get better.
16s and 18g, you are right on... but even though your team isnt playing in all of those tourneys, does that equate to lesser fees? 16u is VERY difficult to keep players down and resist the urge to move up, especially when they get calls from avg 18u teams trying to get them to move up. Luckily, I have been successful at this so far.
Why do the teams make all those trips and play every weekend? Because most coaches feel they need to keep up with what the other guy is doing. A short time ago, VERY FEW 14u teams were going down south... now?? Hell, now they are going down to play in EXPOSURE tourneys. So if team A wants to get good players, but team B is going down south 3 times per Fall, all of the parents are talking at hitting lessons and pitching lessons, and parents form team B are saying, hey, we are down south playing all those great socal teams this weekend. And parent A says... well we are playing in Stockton this weekend. Pretty soon, parent from team A is wondering why their teams isnt playing down south. Now coach A is getting pressure from parents and questions about why they arent going down south. So the next thing you know, team A is making trips... then team c, then team D and so on.
Before you know it, parents are taking out second mortgages for their kids to play travel....
Luckily, I dont care about what team A, B, or C is doing. I have an idea of what I am going to do regardless of what the other guy is doing. It isnt easy convincing parents that you have been around the block a time or two, and that the parent from team B (that has a whole 3 years in this game) just might not know what they are talking about.
You and I are on the same page.... that is why I DETERMINE what my teams do. I will not let me 12s and 14s travel down south more than once per season, which is 2 times per year, exactly what you said. I have been through this crap, and thus I am going to help my coaches understand the bigger picture and keep our parent's costs down as much as possible, and do exactly what you said. Stay home and get work done. You dont need to be in socal every weekend to get better.
16s and 18g, you are right on... but even though your team isnt playing in all of those tourneys, does that equate to lesser fees? 16u is VERY difficult to keep players down and resist the urge to move up, especially when they get calls from avg 18u teams trying to get them to move up. Luckily, I have been successful at this so far.
Why do the teams make all those trips and play every weekend? Because most coaches feel they need to keep up with what the other guy is doing. A short time ago, VERY FEW 14u teams were going down south... now?? Hell, now they are going down to play in EXPOSURE tourneys. So if team A wants to get good players, but team B is going down south 3 times per Fall, all of the parents are talking at hitting lessons and pitching lessons, and parents form team B are saying, hey, we are down south playing all those great socal teams this weekend. And parent A says... well we are playing in Stockton this weekend. Pretty soon, parent from team A is wondering why their teams isnt playing down south. Now coach A is getting pressure from parents and questions about why they arent going down south. So the next thing you know, team A is making trips... then team c, then team D and so on.
Before you know it, parents are taking out second mortgages for their kids to play travel....
Luckily, I dont care about what team A, B, or C is doing. I have an idea of what I am going to do regardless of what the other guy is doing. It isnt easy convincing parents that you have been around the block a time or two, and that the parent from team B (that has a whole 3 years in this game) just might not know what they are talking about.
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went down South 4 times this fall...the end result was a bunch of hurt feelings and the team breaking up. Sometimes when you go looking for exposure you get exactly that...exposed. Conversely there were some players who figured it out down there and had a good fall. We just didn't have nine of them.
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