2011/12 is getting started soon....who are THE 12/11u teams?

[bulldog99]

Thanks for the help on the dates, hopefully we all have the right ones.

[The_Observer]

where did you see the brackets posted?

http://www.indianaasasoftball.org/Porta ... racket.pdf

The 2000 Sox did a good job to get to the finals of the winners bracket against the Gators 99 as an all 11u team. I heard they were missing 2 of their best players and were down to 9 kids for this tournament. They didn't get back to the finals against Gators 99 after losing 7-4 in a back an forth contest against Gators 99 Henry in the finals of the losers bracket.

The Gators have a great team and should do very well at ASA Nationals. Tournaments like this will only get them better and prepare them for the main event.

I think if the sox can pick up a couple key utility players in the off season they can be the team to beat next yr in 12u. They have been clawing their way through tournaments without their number 1 pitcher and after losing a couple other good players. Kudos to the girls who have stepped up. Sometimes it's not the " studs" who make the team it's the players that pick up the pieces when the studs fall apart.

I couldn't agree more! If the sox can add a few very good players to go along with some of the really good players that they have now, look out for them next year! Not too many teams in NWI or Chicagoland will be able to compete. With Bake's goals of going to ASA Nationals next year, the Sox should get a decent tryout.

[The_Observer]

[quote="dailyjoy"]Thanks for the link Just a Dad.

I am really surprised how small this tourney was compare to the other ASA/USA qualifiers. I wonder why so few teams showed up?

The reason so few teams showed up is because Indiana is a watered down NSA B ball state, not an ASA state. Historically, Indiana has not produced many competetive ASA teams, like Illinois. Now I'm not saying there's not any good NSA B teams out there, because there are. Unfortunately those coaches are taking those teams to Warsaw and Hidden Lake (and maybe Kankakee once in a while) and playing the same NSA B teams over and over again. We all know that when you play in these B tourneys you are going to see some good teams and some very poor teams. Why would these good teams continue to play (and usually beat up) these poor teams? In my opinion, the good teams usually seem to play down to the poor team's level. Instead of the good teams looking to make their players better and play a higher caliber ball in ASA, these coaches would rather bring home the NSA B hardware and make the girls and parents happy. Play ASA and make your girls better players, cause in the end, it's all about making them better players for their future, not about winning a NSA B 12U tourney or two, or more. Hopefully Indiana people will start seeing waht's best for their daughter, and at least tryout ASA teams.

[dailyjoy]

"Daily, It's not at a central location because it's called Diamonds of the SOUTH!

I understand it is called Diamond of the South. The distance is probably why they planned the Diamond of the North as well. We were planning on participating in the Diamonds of the North Tourney, which as shown by the link I included in my last post, was suppose to be an ASA/USA Qualifier for the northern half of the state. Since it was cancelled due to lack of teams signing up and the southern tourney only had six teams it would make sense in the future, for at least 10 and 12u to move it to a more central location. That is of course if it is important for an ASA/USA qualifier to have a competitive, large field.


"That's why they call this Travel Ball" "If you want to play the best,you have to go to the best tournaments." My team travels quite a bit in order to play a variety of the best teams. We have played in Michigan, Illinois and Indiana. I think when planning on traveling for a tourney it is important to consider if the value of playing, be it the quality of competition and challenge for our girls, is worth the distanced traveled.

I don't think traveling six hours to play in a tourney with six A teams would have been as valuable as traveling four hours and playing in a tourney with 20 A teams.

Then again what do I know LOL

[dailyjoy]

"Historically, Indiana has not produced many competetive ASA teams, like Illinois." Which is probably why most the tourneys we play are in Illinois or West. This is our first year in ASA so we are still learning.

Another reason more teams may play NSA is because, for the most part, it is much more user friendly for finding information. Sites such as playnsa gives you not only the list of everyone participating in a tourney before pool/bracket information is sent but also gives results.

So far the only way I can find information out about ASA games is by going to the "host" teams web page and even then often not much information is given prior to information packages sent nor are the results always posted.

Does anyone know of any sites in which information similar to playnsa is available for ASA?

[insoftballnut]

http://www.asasoftball.com/tournaments/ ... aments.asp

This is better then nothing,,some states show more then others

"Historically, Indiana has not produced many competetive ASA teams, like Illinois." Which is probably why most the tourneys we play are in Illinois or West. This is our first year in ASA so we are still learning.

Another reason more teams may play NSA is because, for the most part, it is much more user friendly for finding information. Sites such as playnsa gives you not only the list of everyone participating in a tourney before pool/bracket information is sent but also gives results.

So far the only way I can find information out about ASA games is by going to the "host" teams web page and even then often not much information is given prior to information packages sent nor are the results always posted.

Does anyone know of any sites in which information similar to playnsa is available for ASA?

[MasterOfMyDomain]

Another reason more teams may play NSA is because, for the most part, it is much more user friendly for finding information. Sites such as playnsa gives you not only the list of everyone participating in a tourney before pool/bracket information is sent but also gives results.

While I agree with this statement to a certain extent, unfortunately there are coaches who use this information for the wrong reasons and search out tournaments that they feel give them the best chance to win a trophy as opposed to finding the better teams to challenge their own. This year I have noticed a much higher number of very low level NSA B teams at the 12u level who would have a difficult time competing even at the rec all-star level. Some of the NSA tournaments this year have been loaded with these lower level teams along with maybe one or two higher level teams who are pretty much wasting their time coming in to run rule the weaker teams.

The reasons I feel a girl should play NSA B are as follows:

1. Girl doesn't quite have the skill level or possibly the ambition to play class A/ASA, but wants a more competitive experience than rec ball.
2. Girl has other interests and does not have the ambition to make softball a priority.
3. Family does not have the financial means to do that much traveling.

I am going to make the assumption that majority of you are very competitive and have a daughter who is a very good competitive player or that you feel has the potential to become one, otherwise you wouldn't be invested in this forum. If this is you, and you have the financial means to get your daughter onto a team that wants to compete in ASA, you are doing her a disservice in NSA B if she has the skill and ambition to take her game to the next level, because quite honestly it's a superior product. Obviously classA/ASA isn't for everyone, it depends on the girls skill level and ambitions. If your daughter has college ambitions, you will give her the best opportunity to follow her dreams if you get her onto a team that wants to play the best competition possible.

[The_Observer]

Another reason more teams may play NSA is because, for the most part, it is much more user friendly for finding information. Sites such as playnsa gives you not only the list of everyone participating in a tourney before pool/bracket information is sent but also gives results.

While I agree with this statement to a certain extent, unfortunately there are coaches who use this information for the wrong reasons and search out tournaments that they feel give them the best chance to win a trophy as opposed to finding the better teams to challenge their own. This year I have noticed a much higher number of very low level NSA B teams at the 12u level who would have a difficult time competing even at the rec all-star level. Some of the NSA tournaments this year have been loaded with these lower level teams along with maybe one or two higher level teams who are pretty much wasting their time coming in to run rule the weaker teams.


The reasons I feel a girl should play NSA B are as follows:

1. Girl doesn't quite have the skill level or possibly the ambition to play class A/ASA, but wants a more competitive experience than rec ball.
2. Girl has other interests and does not have the ambition to make softball a priority.
3. Family does not have the financial means to do that much traveling.

I am going to make the assumption that majority of you are very competitive and have a daughter who is a very good competitive player or that you feel has the potential to become one, otherwise you wouldn't be invested in this forum. If this is you, and you have the financial means to get your daughter onto a team that wants to compete in ASA, you are doing her a disservice in NSA B if she has the skill and ambition to take her game to the next level, because quite honestly it's a superior product. Obviously classA/ASA isn't for everyone, it depends on the girls skill level and ambitions. If your daughter has college ambitions, you will give her the best opportunity to follow her dreams if you get her onto a team that wants to play the best competition possible.

Nice post! So which programs are ASA based programs in Indiana? The NWI White Sox program obviously is, according to Bake's last posts. The Portage Raiders? Indy Gators? Any more beyond that?

If some of you reading this thread believe that your daughter has the talent to play at the ASA level, I highly recommend that you try out for an organization that plays an ASA schedule, and stay away from the NSA B ball clubs.

[dailyjoy]

CP99
Raiders Black
White sox 2000
Outlaws99
Lazer Black
Team Energy

All play ASA

There may be more but those are the ones I know about from NWI Indiana.

Even one of the teams you mentioned, the Gators, can't really be classified as an ASA schedule team. If you look at the Gators wins you will notice only two ASA tourney showing.

It would seem to me, based on the Gators success, playing ASA isn't the most important ingredient for being a really good team.

Team Energy has played one NSA tourney and the rest of their tourneys to this point have been ASA A. I think they are a good team but their record isn't near as impressive as the Gators.

If playing ASA A is the answer to developing a top team why are the Gators a better team then Team Energy? Or are they?

[insoftballnut]

Please let me add a few things too these wonderful posted comments .
These are my personel opinions and can be taken as such.
An nsa 'B' or an nsa 'A' player and parents ,if able as a player must be at the top of there game to compete and sometimes play just more then one position or dominate one position,
As a parent, they must be willing to make adjustments to accommodate the 2 - 3 days a week practices [winter,spring,summer and fall], that there child will endure .

They should be willing to accept and acknowledge the fact that there might be 12 players on a team and that only 9 can play at a time, and that the coach will put the strongest 9 out there for long periods at a time, depending on game situations .

Some teams have super fast runners and thats all they do is run.
All girls should be expected to see a hitting instructor .
All catchers should see catching instructors.
ALL PITCHERS should have there own pitching instructors.
All fielders, weather infield or outfield ,should be taught the correct way by coaches.
Base running is also important.
Teams do fundraisers,,some kids have a few sponsors , {wich realy helps}.dont be ashamed to ask some relatives.

Be prepared as a new player or parent,,dont be afraid to ask as to how much out of pocket money might be involved on top of ''player team fee's''. Hotels,travel expenses, etc,etc.

Above all,,if you think your child is ready to play ASA, [junior olympics] please give her a chance to be at the top level of playing, you never know later on at say 15 - 18 what college coaches might be watching her.

Another reason more teams may play NSA is because, for the most part, it is much more user friendly for finding information. Sites such as playnsa gives you not only the list of everyone participating in a tourney before pool/bracket information is sent but also gives results.

While I agree with this statement to a certain extent, unfortunately there are coaches who use this information for the wrong reasons and search out tournaments that they feel give them the best chance to win a trophy as opposed to finding the better teams to challenge their own. This year I have noticed a much higher number of very low level NSA B teams at the 12u level who would have a difficult time competing even at the rec all-star level. Some of the NSA tournaments this year have been loaded with these lower level teams along with maybe one or two higher level teams who are pretty much wasting their time coming in to run rule the weaker teams.


The reasons I feel a girl should play NSA B are as follows:

1. Girl doesn't quite have the skill level or possibly the ambition to play class A/ASA, but wants a more competitive experience than rec ball.
2. Girl has other interests and does not have the ambition to make softball a priority.
3. Family does not have the financial means to do that much traveling.

I am going to make the assumption that majority of you are very competitive and have a daughter who is a very good competitive player or that you feel has the potential to become one, otherwise you wouldn't be invested in this forum. If this is you, and you have the financial means to get your daughter onto a team that wants to compete in ASA, you are doing her a disservice in NSA B if she has the skill and ambition to take her game to the next level, because quite honestly it's a superior product. Obviously classA/ASA isn't for everyone, it depends on the girls skill level and ambitions. If your daughter has college ambitions, you will give her the best opportunity to follow her dreams if you get her onto a team that wants to play the best competition possible.

Nice post! So which programs are ASA based programs in Indiana? The NWI White Sox program obviously is, according to Bake's last posts. The Portage Raiders? Indy Gators? Any more beyond that?

If some of you reading this thread believe that your daughter has the talent to play at the ASA level, I highly recommend that you try out for an organization that plays an ASA schedule, and stay away from the NSA B ball clubs.