Foothill Round Table Tournament Rained Out

[softball1222]

Final for the Foothill Round Table are March 17th from 4pm-8pm at Columbus Tustin Park.

[RudeDog]

Final for the Foothill Round Table are March 17th from 4pm-8pm at Columbus Tustin Park.

Semis at 4:00
Pacifica vs Los Al
Mater Dei vs Marina

I'm still trying to figure out how the TD came up with the seedings for the semi's.
Below is taken from the tourney rules.
"Pool tie-breaking protocol:
1) head-to-head result
2) runs allowed
3) run
differential
4) runs scored
5) total base runners achieved
6) coin flip.
In case of a 3 or 4 team tie, the protocol will be used to eliminate one team and then the protocol will start over to determine a winner."


Using the above protocol the seeding should be as follows:
#1 Pacifica vs #4 Mater Dei
#2 Marina vs #3 Los Alamitos

I hear the tourney director decided that since Los Al and Marina play in the same league that he would change the seedings so that the two did not play each other in the first round

Is that how tourneys work now?

If they didn't want to play each other maybe they shouldn't have signed up for the same tourney!

On another "Foothill" note:
I thought it was a poor representation of Foothill HS when the head coach to decide not to play the last game at the Mohave Tourney, leaving Canyon and it's players a game short in the tourney...............OH WAIT!!!! THEY BOTH PLAY IN THE SAME LEAGUE!!!!!

[ocdynastysoftball]

There are 2 reasons most high school teams enter tournaments.

1) Fun to play an event that means something.

2) Tournaments allow you to play extra games above the limit of 20.


SSCIF only allows a team to participate in 20 games and as part of those games CIF allows a max of 3 tournaments. Each tournament counts as 2 games regardless of how many games are played in that tournament.

Now, the goal of a tournament is to be the champion but in most high school tournaments once you lose 1 game you can no longer become the champion. At that point most high schools will play as many games as they are committed to. However, there are those teams that do not wish to play each other outside league and when that conflict arises they look at how many games have they already played and balance that against their desire to avoid league rivals. In many cases the desire to avoid each other is greater then the desire to play 1 more game especially when there is no longer a championship to be won. In tournaments these teams control they will alter the brackets so they can play those extra games without facing each other.

While it seems to defeat the purpose of the tournament the only event these type of teams really care about is winning the SSCIF Championship and to qualify to play in the SSCIF tournament you must finish high in your league making league play far more important then any other games.

Quite frankly, in high school ball league play is everything. All other games are simply preparation for league.

[RudeDog]

There are 2 reasons most high school teams enter tournaments.

1) Fun to play an event that means something.

2) Tournaments allow you to play extra games above the limit of 20.


SSCIF only allows a team to participate in 20 games and as part of those games CIF allows a max of 3 tournaments. Each tournament counts as 2 games regardless of how many games are played in that tournament.

Now, the goal of a tournament is to be the champion but in most high school tournaments once you lose 1 game you can no longer become the champion. At that point most high schools will play as many games as they are committed to. However, there are those teams that do not wish to play each other outside league and when that conflict arises they look at how many games have they already played and balance that against their desire to avoid league rivals. In many cases the desire to avoid each other is greater then the desire to play 1 more game especially when there is no longer a championship to be won. In tournaments these teams control they will alter the brackets so they can play those extra games without facing each other.

While it seems to defeat the purpose of the tournament the only event these type of teams really care about is winning the SSCIF Championship and to qualify to play in the SSCIF tournament you must finish high in your league making league play far more important then any other games.

Quite frankly, in high school ball league play is everything. All other games are simply preparation for league.

Thanks for the lesson in HS Sports
I'm glad you straightened things out because I had no idea about League Play being what it is all about and that you have to finish high in your league to make it to SSCIF

I thought HS ball was just like my 14u All Star team and winning all the tournaments we can in hopes to get to go to State

Does anyone know if my DD can play on our 14u All Star team (Gold Team of course) if her team doesn't make it to the SSCIF Tournament?

THANKS!

[Sftbll4ever]

Quite frankly, in high school ball league play is everything. All other games are simply preparation for league.

Well, except for the part of those teams that are in really strong leagues and need to have over a .500 overall record so that they can get that coveted wild card for CIF.

I'm going to have to tell my kid to stop working so hard since all these games mean nothing.

Yeah, it sucks going to a tournament near or far just to play teams from your own backyard, but you know that going it. Play the games or don't go to the tournament.

[RudeDog]

Play the games or don't go to the tournament.

I agree 100%
"Most" teams that play in those tough leagues try and pad their schedules to assure that they reach the .500 or better record, The others play the best competition to get the team ready for battle.

I love it when you see the braggers out there talking about how the team is undefeated and has won this or that tourney but never realize that the tourneys they enter are filled with schools that are D2 or D3 while they are from a school with twice the attendance or have a very strong feeder Rec league.
The teams that really impress me are the ones that play all the tough tourneys and play in a tough league but have no strong feeder league bringing in the players year after year
I think SB4ever knows what I mean

[Sftbll4ever]

The teams that really impress me are the ones that play all the tough tourneys and play in a tough league but have no strong feeder league bringing in the players year after year
I think SB4ever knows what I mean

Before I got to this, I was getting ready to hit the quote botton and say EXACTLY that!!

[RudeDog]

Beat you ........... AGAIN!!!
hahahaha!

[Sftbll4ever]

Beat you ........... AGAIN!!!
hahahaha!

OUCH!!!

[Clean_up]

There are 2 reasons most high school teams enter tournaments.

1) Fun to play an event that means something.

2) Tournaments allow you to play extra games above the limit of 20.


SSCIF only allows a team to participate in 20 games and as part of those games CIF allows a max of 3 tournaments. Each tournament counts as 2 games regardless of how many games are played in that tournament.

Now, the goal of a tournament is to be the champion but in most high school tournaments once you lose 1 game you can no longer become the champion. At that point most high schools will play as many games as they are committed to. However, there are those teams that do not wish to play each other outside league and when that conflict arises they look at how many games have they already played and balance that against their desire to avoid league rivals. In many cases the desire to avoid each other is greater then the desire to play 1 more game especially when there is no longer a championship to be won. In tournaments these teams control they will alter the brackets so they can play those extra games without facing each other.

While it seems to defeat the purpose of the tournament the only event these type of teams really care about is winning the SSCIF Championship and to qualify to play in the SSCIF tournament you must finish high in your league making league play far more important then any other games.

Quite frankly, in high school ball league play is everything. All other games are simply preparation for league.

This point does not hold water for the Roundtable seeding change issue - both Marina and Los Al ARE in the championship rounds. So, IF both teams win their "especially changed just because you asked us to please change the seeding" semi-final games, will they WALK AWAY from the championship game because "We play in the same league"? Seriously.. In the pre-season Surf City tournament, CIF win-loss records, rules, etc are really not in play. This tournament is "in-season" and should NOT have formats changed at all, period. Foothill HS needs to grow a set and just say no to these pressures.