Nor - Cal 12U Spring Summer Rankings

[MommysPitcher]

And dont tell me no team has no bad day. Because really nobody is perfect. Laugh about all you want. Truth.

[SoftballSoccerDad]

And dont tell me no team has no bad day. Because really nobody is perfect. Laugh about all you want. Truth.

There's nothing wrong with making preseason rankings based on potential and hype. Once the season begins, however, rankings ought to be based on performance, not excuses. Any team that plays in the silver bracket of a 20-team tournament is not in the region's top 10 until they prove otherwise at their next tournament. They lost to a great Team Xtreme which was to be expected, but also lost to a younger Roseville Heat Cota team that is not even in the top 10. Maybe Cota should be. Rankings should be based on what a team has done, not what you think a team can do.

It's just fun to talk about here. No excuses, though.

[Iluvblue]

And dont tell me no team has no bad day. Because really nobody is perfect. Laugh about all you want. Truth.



in my experience, really good teams dont have bad days. They may lose games, they may make an error here or there, but a bad day? Nope, that is exactly what makes them a really good team.

I live by the quote from Bill Parcells. He said, " You are what you are."
So when you see a team making plays that look like a rec team..... that team probably plays like a rec team all the time.

When you see a team out kicking butt and looking great, that is probably what they do all the time.

Good teams are good teams, bad teams are bad teams. You can try to sugarcoat a bad team all you want.... they are still a bad team.

[Sftball Junkie]

And dont tell me no team has no bad day. Because really nobody is perfect. Laugh about all you want. Truth.

There's nothing wrong with making preseason rankings based on potential and hype. Once the season begins, however, rankings ought to be based on performance, not excuses. Any team that plays in the silver bracket of a 20-team tournament is not in the region's top 10 until they prove otherwise at their next tournament. They lost to a great Team Xtreme which was to be expected, but also lost to a younger Roseville Heat Cota team that is not even in the top 10. Maybe Cota should be. Rankings should be based on what a team has done, not what you think a team can do.

It's just fun to talk about here. No excuses, though.

SSD I completely agree with what you are saying yet we really don't know what any of these teams have done. You can't look at friendlies because all teams treat those different. I kinda look at it like a college football ranking. You can't really say who is one thru ten or who is weak and who is not until the teams get a body of work under them. 1 or 2 tournaments is not a body of work.
1st to 3rd I am not sure I would put any 00 teams in the top 10 other then KG Tracy. To answer someones question yes Heat 00 is not an age pure 00 team I have been told they have at least 4 99's I think 5. That I know of the only 3 age pure 00 teams out there are Breeze Madison, Hype Cobian and Mizuno Lep. The rest from what I have been told have at least 3 or more 99's.

Everyone is talking about the one game with Heat 00 and Stone 5 - 0 win. Does that really mean much?
Example:
Hype 00 beat North Valley Rapids 3 - 1 on Sat then got run rule pounded by Stone on Sunday. Yet at the same time North Valley Rapids took Heat 00 out of the tournament on Sunday. If we are going on one game stats wouldn't this put North Valley Rapids from the middle of nowhere above the Heat. But wait the based on the one game stat Hype 00 beat North Valley Rapids on Saturday so they must be a better team then Stone, Heat 00 and North Valley Rapids. Right?? One game stats that's crazy!!! That would be like saying because Mizuno Lep a team that has 1 descent pitcher and is clearly in a building year is better then Breeze 00 because they run ruled Breeze 13 -2. 00 teams will ping pong all over at the start of the year that's part of the transition to 12's, any one of these young teams can step up and play for a game it's what they are doing at the mid point of the year and on that would allow me to rank them.

I can't imagine the coaches or parents of the Heat are hanging their hat's very high on this win over Stone or a win over Breeze 99. Breeze 99 is a pretty weak 99 team and Stone waxed Heat every game in Fall.

JMHO I would keep the ranking the way you had them until we see more proof.

[MommysPitcher]

I agree with you softball junkie. Its crazy to rank teams based on 1 game.

[SoftballSoccerDad]

I agree with you softball junkie. Its crazy to rank teams based on 1 game.

Who said anything about one game?

I'm saying you should look at the whole tournament, and that it's the only tournament we have in the books at this point. There were some teams that weren't there, but of the teams that did play in the 12u event, if you're going to come out with a top 10 list afterwards, why would a silver bracket team make the list ahead of a team that played in the gold bracket?

Heat Cota was 2-1 on Saturday, Mizuno Stone was 1-2. Heat Cota's loss was to Mizuno Garcia who won the whole tournament. Mizuno Stone lost to Team Xtreme that lost in the championship to Mizuno Garcia. Throw those two games out. Heat Cota is then 2-0, Mizuno Stone is then 1-1. Heat Cota won a pretty easy one against Nevada Lightning 99, so throw that one out because Nevada Lightning 99 was 0-3 on Saturday. That would make Heat Cota 1-0. Mizuno Stone beat AASA Castaneda, but since they were also 0-3 Saturday, throw that one out, too. That makes Mizuno Stone 0-1.

The only thing left is head-to-head and Heat Cota beat Mizuno Stone. It doesn't mean they could beat them 9 times out of 10, but based on each team's weekend performance, Heat Cota looks like the better team right now. As the season goes on, that could easily change.

I give credit to 1st to 3rd for the revised rankings.

[Crazy4SftBl]

Looks like Team Xtreme and Mizuno Garcia will do great this season. Xtreme did loose to Garcia but It was a great game if you stayed and watched. They are 12yrs and make mistakes. The important thing is to see how they come back from those mistakes. Xtreme had some devastating errors but the gals bounced back very strong and quick with the next at bat. I think that they will be eager for a re-match very soon!

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Softballsoccerdad,

In your crazy one tournament logic can you explain to me how North Valley Rapids would not be listed in that 10 spot since they went 2 and 1 on Saturday just like the Heat then they smacked the Heat around and sent them home on Sunday. After that they held Team Extreme to a 3 1 game on Sunday. If you do all of your throwing games out blah blah blah wouldn't we end up with a head to head game Rapids V Heat with Heat losing??? Kinda throws the Heat bandwagon off track a little.

Oh and keep in mind that horrible AASA team you speak of that went to the Silver Champ game smacked Heat around the week before at the All American friendly. I know just a friendly but still Cota played all of his starters and was not very happy when the lost. I can tell you one thing Cota doesn't play friendlies as practice...

Keep in mind if this was a regular tournament with out a Gold Silver Stone would have had a chance to play Sunday and prove themselves and based on the A$$ Kickin they gave everyone Sunday my bet is they would have made it through most of those teams.

OMG I just defended Stone's team I may have to go to Church and confess the world might stop rotating...

I tend to agree how do you change rankings after 1 game or 1 tournament???? Not enough games played to say what a team is doing.

Maybe we don't rank the North Valley Rapids because they are not the name everyone knows and the had to drive 3 and 1/2 hours from North of Redding to play??