PGF 2012 12U

[ridinsuicide]

I don't know this for sure, but I would say that ASA does look at the expenses, at te younger ages. I would think thats y ASA has those Nationals centrally located throughout the U.S. Sure, it may not be "beautiful sunsets" and lovely weather with tons of things to do... But, where I'm from we look for those things when we go on vacation!!! We are going to Moline to play ball!! As long as there is competition, who cares about the rest. And, I have done some research with actual people involved with a couple of the best soCal teams, and it seems the common plan from what I'm getting is they plan to do both. And btw, we are NOT a rich team and VERY competitive and we will be in Moline!!.. Lol

[Battle]

But, where I'm from we look for those things when we go on vacation!!! We are going to Moline to play ball!! As long as there is competition, who cares about the rest.

CA is a good place for vacation...Although I dont believe you could travel there and stay a week without nationals and not spend more money than in Moline.

[4girlsmom]

I don't know this for sure, but I would say that ASA does look at the expenses, at te younger ages. I would think thats y ASA has those Nationals centrally located throughout the U.S. Sure, it may not be "beautiful sunsets" and lovely weather with tons of things to do... But, where I'm from we look for those things when we go on vacation!!! We are going to Moline to play ball!! As long as there is competition, who cares about the rest. And, I have done some research with actual people involved with a couple of the best soCal teams, and it seems the common plan from what I'm getting is they plan to do both. And btw, we are NOT a rich team and VERY competitive and we will be in Moline!!.. Lol

Who is planning on doing both since you are in the know?

I guarantee the "couple of the best soCal teams, and it seems the
common plan from what I'm getting is they plan to do both" is
farcical.

Good luck to you on your "vacations" and have fun in Moline.

The socal teams that go to Moline will go because they didn't qualify for PGF or
they knew they weren't competitive enough.

[CheckWriter]

I don't have a dog in this hunt any more, but ..

Before you posted:

I would think thats y ASA has those Nationals centrally located throughout the U.S.

Did you read:

Teams without money, competitive or not, should go to LA. Even though it is further, it will be way cheaper. Flights to LA right now are $213. Flights to Moline $493. That is $280, or $1120 for a family of four, or 8400 extra dollars for the average 30 people that travel with a team. That is just on airfare. Add in jacked up hotel rates, extra days in town. It could easily double the 8400 in additional cost to go to Moline.

?????

Geographically central is not necessarily cheaper, high travel volume is. It is very likely that, unless you can drive there, it is cheaper to travel to L.A. from anywhere in the U.S.

[AlwaysImprove]

But, where I'm from we look for those things when we go on vacation!!! We are going to Moline to play ball!! As long as there is competition, who cares about the rest.

CA is a good place for vacation...Although I dont believe you could travel there and stay a week without nationals and not spend more money than in Moline.

Agree. Me and you plan a trip to Molline, I would expect it to cost way less than a trip to LA. Let ASA do the trip planning and Moline costs way more.

Moline is a very hard city to get a flight in and out. You are traveling with a large group usually at a late notice. There is a huge advantage to anyone hosting a tournament to host it near a major airport.

You want to talk center of the US. Look at Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Milwaukee, Denver, Ok City, Dallas FW, Houston, Nashville, Memphis, Indianapolis. Really center vs edges means little. Big airport with loads of flights and competitive hotel market is what matters.

Think about why ASA model avoids big airport large hotel market areas. If you were to sit down and host a tournament a tournament to serve the teams traveling from across the US, you would never think to look at the places that ASA looks.

[ontheblack]

If you were to sit down and host a tournament a tournament to serve the teams traveling from across the US, you would never think to look at the places that ASA looks

With the exception of last years 18G in San Diego, I agree.

If PGF were to be in Florida in 2013 and ASA were to be in Midland, Moline, Bloomington, Sioux Falls, or any of the other regular ASA circuit stops, SoCal teams would aim for PGF in Florida.

[CULater]

If you were to sit down and host a tournament a tournament to serve the teams traveling from across the US, you would never think to look at the places that ASA looks

With the exception of last years 18G in San Diego, I agree.

If PGF were to be in Florida in 2013 and ASA were to be in Midland, Moline, Bloomington, Sioux Falls, or any of the other regular ASA circuit stops, SoCal teams would aim for PGF in Florida.

I agree, but what if ASA was in San Diego, Roseville, or Irvine?

[jonriv]

I often wonder why ASA(or others besides TCS) look at Ski resorts? They generally have decent transportation, they have excess hotel space- weather is cooler(Florida in July or August-are you kidding????) Never understood why more tournaments have not discovered Park City, UT- or even some areas in Vermont or Upstate, NY.


I can understand all of the California teams wanting to stay near home- great weather, great competition and save on airfare- but when does it get old playing the same competition all the time?

[AlwaysImprove]

Florida in July or August-are you kidding????

Your talking people that go to Midland in July or August. Florida would be nice.

[AlwaysImprove]

If you were to sit down and host a tournament a tournament to serve the teams traveling from across the US, you would never think to look at the places that ASA looks

With the exception of last years 18G in San Diego, I agree.

If PGF were to be in Florida in 2013 and ASA were to be in Midland, Moline, Bloomington, Sioux Falls, or any of the other regular ASA circuit stops, SoCal teams would aim for PGF in Florida.

PGF can host their tournaments anywhere in the country close to a city with an airport and they will easily beat ASA.

ASA model ensures that only cities that are very far off the grid will bid. The city has to control the hotel marketplace so they can rape parents to pay ASA fees, and buy umpires samwiches and a couple of beers.

Johnson City, Moline and Midland get the added benefit of driving up traffic on their severely under utilized airport. The FAA and government looking for ways to reduce costs these airports are regularly just miss the close list. Traffic and fees are super critical to these locations.