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[Iluvblue]

. I like the thought of the larger org's trying to stay age pure.


Do you think that is some grand design by org leaders that the teams stay age pure?
Those teams will do what the coaches want to do. So if the coach wants all players in a certain birth year so he can try to keep them together longer, he will.
If a stud 2nd year 12u player shows up at a 1st year teams tryout, I can promise you that the coach would take her.

Problem is, not stud 2nd year player will be showing up at a 1st year 12u tryout. But if a stud 1st year 12u player shows up at an older 12u, what could possibly be the downside to taking the kid?

If a kid can play, she can play.

Get the BEST COACHING YOU CAN AT YOUNG AGES, PERIOD.

[onlooker]

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[CheckWriter]

Probably gonna piss some dad's off but I feel the biggest problem for this is Pitchers parents. Most teams out there are coached by pitchers Dad's and most of the new teams forming are again pitchers parent's finding a home for their baby.
Of your list in order these are the only teams I know of who's head coach does NOT have a daughter who pitches. Does anyone know any others???

There have been some VERY good daddy ball teams out there with pitchers' dads as head coaches. A certain 16U ASA national championship team (pre-PGF) comes to mind. If a dad knows how to teach some fundamentals, my hat is off to him for making the sacrifice so that, while he is benefitting his DD, 10 - 15 other DDs can benefit.

Without daddy ball, there would be no youth sports. It would be like gymnastics or figure skating.

Thank you all dads that coach, my DDs would likely not be playing ball in college if it weren't for you.

JMO

[artomatic]

There have been some VERY good daddy ball teams out there with pitchers' dads as head coaches. A certain 16U ASA national championship team (pre-PGF) comes to mind. If a dad knows how to teach some fundamentals, my hat is off to him for making the sacrifice so that, while he is benefitting his DD, 10 - 15 other DDs can benefit.

Without daddy ball, there would be no youth sports. It would be like gymnastics or figure skating.

Thank you all dads that coach, my DDs would likely not be playing ball in college if it weren't for you.

JMO

This quote could be used in about 20% of all posts this time of year (30% deep in the heart).

[Bleacher bug]

Hey Blue
Never said it was a grand design by Org leaders... You just see it more in large Orgs then you do on independent teams. Most independent teams will be more of a split age team then an age pure. I did say most I understand there are independent and Orgs that don't fall into this statement. Just sayin I like the age pure concept more, Thats all...

Kinda figured the pitchers Dad comment wouldn't be read the way it was meant. Never said Daddy Ball is a bad thing... Face it 98% of the coach's out there are dad's including myself for the last 15years and of those teams I listed only 2 do not have kids on the team.(Unfortunately I do not have the time in my work schedule to coach my younger daughter, Or maybe it's because I could no longer deal with the pitchers Daddy who wants to know why Suzy only got 3 games this weekend when in reality Sally only got 3 as well, So the real problem is Sally pitched in the championship game and Suzy had to play first base that game. LOL!!!)

I do however find it funny that with all the teams looking for pitchers we still end up with a ton of pitchers dad's starting new teams. personally I feel it is more about the fact that most pitchers dads want control of when, how and what their daughters do when it comes to the game and have a very hard time giving control to a coach. Don't get me wrong I understand their are bad coach's out there I just cant imagine all 30 on the list are bad.

[Iluvblue]

I do however find it funny that with all the teams looking for pitchers we still end up with a ton of pitchers dad's starting new teams. personally I feel it is more about the fact that most pitchers dads want control of when, how and what their daughters do when it comes to the game and have a very hard time giving control to a coach.


I have coached quite a few pitchers who had that" Pitcher's dad" on the other side of the fence. Not one of those dads ever gave me a problem. Id hear at tryouts; "Oh, you dont want that kid, her dad will be a problem." Then I take the kid and nothing.

IMO, those good pitchers have a dad behind them that knows what he is doing most of the time. Those parents simply want their kids on teams with coaches that know what they are doing. Thus the problem. There are only so many coaches in our area at 12 and 14u that I would consider to be really good. When you get one, keep em. At the end of the season, those parents must decide whether the coach is good. If they dont think coach is good, they leave. And IMO it is rarely because of what game said kid pitched in.

This is MY EXPERIENCES with my pitchers and their parents, and my opinions only. Isnt necessarily the case for all teams.

[spine13]

CheckWriter. THANK YOU. I keep hearing all this talk about Daddy Ball. It is the Dads and Moms who are willing to put the time in for these kids that make up 90% of the coaching staffs out there. Just because a Dad is a coach does not mean he starts his kid. Maybe the kid earned that position?
Bleacher if your gonna start listing off teams, you may want to do your homework. Garcia not only has 1 but 2 pitchers who are daughters of the coaches. And both are studs. If that is not daddy ball I dont know what is. But if we should not play "Daddy Ball" maybe they should sit their kids and start someone not as good because you as a parent might say "Oh look its daddy ball". Their are great coaches out there with daughters on the team. Some of those daughters are the better players on those teams. Some teams have daughters that are not as good but still belong on these teams.

[bring'nheat]

DaddyBall or not, at some point those type of coaches won't be able to guarantee their DD play time and in the end, they may actually be hurting their DD.
About a year ago I went to watch a patient / friends daughter play. That coach had 2 DD's on the team, but you wouldn't be able to point out which ones they were. The coach played and sat everybody. He may have been harder on his own kids just to avoid the "daddy ball" conflict. This type of coach is far and few, but shouldn't be lumped into the "daddy ball" mix.

[Tenshun]

There is definitely a difference between a Daddy coach and Daddy ball.

The question is: What happens when Daddy Ball meets Daddy Goggles? Two equally powerful, yet diametrically opposed forces... Time for popcorn.

[catchers_rock]

I find the problem in My area is that we simply don’t have enough good coaches to go around in 12u. then you have the coaches who keep girls simply because they have been on the team since they were in 10's. If a new player can take a current players spot, that should be it! then we can have a few truly A ball teams. kind of hard to get into some of these teams when they are only looking for 1 player. then you end up with 1 or 2 stacked good teams and everyone else is spread out over the valley. I use to think the people who drove for 2 hrs to play for a team were nutty, but I am starting to think it sound like a good idea. ( but I live in BFE so I have to drive) for 12's in lower part of the valley you are limited on good teams and coaches to pick from. IMO
I keep telling myself that eventually all the good players will end up on one or two teams!