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by justawatcher » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:43 pm

Blind Squirrel wrote:Wow, I haven't been encouraged to offer my opinion in a long time. Well, its been at least 22 years. I'll try to be more positive this time ...

Not long into my kid's freshman season we were told there was "a book" on her and it described how she should be pitched to. Come conference season it was clear that nearly every coach used the same plan to a significant degree. I also heard about "the book" on a player on another team that my kid considered one of best college hitters in the country. Watched a post season game and sure enough I saw that kid striking out on the exact thing specified in the book. I don't know how common this is in TB but I never heard of it. And if it is happening in one conference it is probably happening elsewhere.

I'm not sure how much my kid worked on the weakness in "the book" on her while she was taking batting lessons during TB, but my guess is it could/should have been more. In retrospect I probably should have been more concerned about identifying weaknesses and having her work on them. Or maybe she is just retarded and it wouldn't have mattered.

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Is this a joke? I don't mean to sound like a jerk but surely you were aware that schools had "tape" on kids in their conference (and beyond)? Even the top high schools do. I mean-these coaches are paid to win ball games. Never mind, you've got to be pulling our legs.
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by Blind Squirrel » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:45 am

justawatcher wrote:
Blind Squirrel wrote:Wow, I haven't been encouraged to offer my opinion in a long time. Well, its been at least 22 years. I'll try to be more positive this time ...

Not long into my kid's freshman season we were told there was "a book" on her and it described how she should be pitched to. Come conference season it was clear that nearly every coach used the same plan to a significant degree. I also heard about "the book" on a player on another team that my kid considered one of best college hitters in the country. Watched a post season game and sure enough I saw that kid striking out on the exact thing specified in the book. I don't know how common this is in TB but I never heard of it. And if it is happening in one conference it is probably happening elsewhere.

I'm not sure how much my kid worked on the weakness in "the book" on her while she was taking batting lessons during TB, but my guess is it could/should have been more. In retrospect I probably should have been more concerned about identifying weaknesses and having her work on them. Or maybe she is just retarded and it wouldn't have mattered.

Ignorant Squirrel



Is this a joke? I don't mean to sound like a jerk but surely you were aware that schools had "tape" on kids in their conference (and beyond)? Even the top high schools do. I mean-these coaches are paid to win ball games. Never mind, you've got to be pulling our legs.


1. I don't think you sound like a jerk and I would enthusiastically argue against anyone that would make that assertion.

2. Before I heard about the book on my kid, I honestly never gave it any thought. As incredibly stupid as that may sound. And I have never known what bat my kid was using at a particular time, I have no idea what hitting philosophy she uses, etc. etc. I do know that she is well adjusted, respectful of others, working hard to get a degree and a million other things that will ultimately have a far greater impact on her life than her batting average.

I have supported my kid's interests in sports and other things. My family's lives were happily dominated by their participation in sports for over 15 years. They played various sports because they had fun, kind of like the reason I played sports. But I have never taken their performance as seriously as most parents because I simply don't consider, for example, how well my daughter hits a ball to be nearly as important as so many other things. I enjoy their sports accomplishments and help them with failures as needed. I love watching them play.

So, no I wasn't kidding. You have simply underestimated my capacity for ignorance and/or my level of focus on things like my kid's batting average. No problem. You don't know me. No worries on my end. I posted what I did because I thought it might help other, similarly ignorant people, avoid repeating what may have been a mistake in an area that is more important to them than it is to me. Trust me, I don't beat myself up over this at all.

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by SoftballSoccerDad » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:41 am

Blind Squirrel wrote:1. I don't think you sound like a jerk and I would enthusiastically argue against anyone that would make that assertion.

2. Before I heard about the book on my kid, I honestly never gave it any thought. As incredibly stupid as that may sound. And I have never known what bat my kid was using at a particular time, I have no idea what hitting philosophy she uses, etc. etc. I do know that she is well adjusted, respectful of others, working hard to get a degree and a million other things that will ultimately have a far greater impact on her life than her batting average.

I have supported my kid's interests in sports and other things. My family's lives were happily dominated by their participation in sports for over 15 years. They played various sports because they had fun, kind of like the reason I played sports. But I have never taken their performance as seriously as most parents because I simply don't consider, for example, how well my daughter hits a ball to be nearly as important as so many other things. I enjoy their sports accomplishments and help them with failures as needed. I love watching them play.

So, no I wasn't kidding. You have simply underestimated my capacity for ignorance and/or my level of focus on things like my kid's batting average. No problem. You don't know me. No worries on my end. I posted what I did because I thought it might help other, similarly ignorant people, avoid repeating what may have been a mistake in an area that is more important to them than it is to me. Trust me, I don't beat myself up over this at all.

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People who care about what they're doing will often do things to help them be more successful at it. For coaches and pitchers, this often means studying the tendencies of opposing batters and making the necessary adjustments to improve their chances for success. They won't always achieve the goal, but knowing 'the book' can tip the scales in their favor if the plan is executed effectively.

Being a successful parent means different things to different people as does being a successful parent to a young athlete. You've been able to view your child's growth from a perspective no one else had. You weren't required to care how well she hit or did not hit. All you had to do was to support her along the way. It sounds like you were a successful parent.

I want my DD to learn and to grow and to take something of value from every experience she has. Her performance at the plate - good or bad - in a meaningless fall rec game will likely be forgotten by the time Halloween rolls around. But for me, how she felt at that moment did matter. Maybe it didn't matter much, but it mattered. She always cares most about where she is at any moment. Rarely does she get ahead of herself and I think that's one of the personality traits that helps her to be successful in whatever it is she's doing at the time.

The main reason HB has gotten boring, though, is a lack of pole barn controversies in Indiana. It also doesn't help that the TX AggieDad(?) "D1 player coached team" never seemed to gain any momentum.
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by TEXASBANDIT24 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:35 am

Hate to hijack my own thread but the last several posts are exactly why HB is soooo boring. i almost fell asleep reading some of the crap on this thread.

Where are all of the good ol' guys? 43ft.com? Fastpitdirt? Old folks home? DD's don't play no mo cuz they are burnt out by dad?

3monkeys tried to liven it up. maybe I should try to light him up and see him really go off?

Gig em!
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by txfastptchcoach » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:40 am

I hate to enlighten everyone but EVERY kid has a hole in there swing. The only thing you can do is minimize the hole and make adjustments at the plate. Remember how they pitched you last time and every other at bat. Make notes if you have to. If they are doing the same thing work on what they are getting you out on or at least learn how to foul it off. Hitting is about hitting mistakes the pitcher makes or does over and over so you can key in on location. Tony Gwynn watched video after each game and analyzed his swing EVERY DAY and he hit a little over .400 one or two seasons. This game is a game of failure because if you get a hit 3 or 4 times in 10 AB's your a Hitting God!! This goes for the older age groups by the way. Pitcher's haven't developed into pitcher's until they have reached total growth with speed and movement. The key to being a good hitter is being able to make adjustments at the plate and taking away the pitcher's best or out pitch. Just saying. My two cents and it doesn't mean squat!!!! Felt like ranting a little.
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by MAD-DOG99 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:03 pm

TEXASBANDIT24 wrote:Hate to hijack my own thread but the last several posts are exactly why HB is soooo boring. i almost fell asleep reading some of the crap on this thread.

Where are all of the good ol' guys? 43ft.com? Fastpitdirt? Old folks home? DD's don't play no mo cuz they are burnt out by dad?

3monkeys tried to liven it up. maybe I should try to light him up and see him really go off?

Gig em!


Well it isn't any more exciting anywhere else...!!

I orginally left 43ft because it was a bit stale...!!

Happy to return to the Bucket only to put up with Ben Dover's endless bs...!!!

I can take some good natured ribbing, but it was definitely over the top...!!

Unfortunately on return to 43ft, the C.A.P. is filled with Koolaid...!!

Endless talk of how great their kid and B- team is with no obvious knowledge of reality.

Well, it was fun while it lasted...!!
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by Trophy Hunter » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:43 pm

TEXASBANDIT24 wrote:

Gig em!


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by DonnieS » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:55 pm

txfastptchcoach wrote:I hate to enlighten everyone but EVERY kid has a hole in there swing. The only thing you can do is minimize the hole and make adjustments at the plate. Remember how they pitched you last time and every other at bat. Make notes if you have to. If they are doing the same thing work on what they are getting you out on or at least learn how to foul it off. Hitting is about hitting mistakes the pitcher makes or does over and over so you can key in on location. Tony Gwynn watched video after each game and analyzed his swing EVERY DAY and he hit a little over .400 one or two seasons. This game is a game of failure because if you get a hit 3 or 4 times in 10 AB's your a Hitting God!! This goes for the older age groups by the way. Pitcher's haven't developed into pitcher's until they have reached total growth with speed and movement. The key to being a good hitter is being able to make adjustments at the plate and taking away the pitcher's best or out pitch. Just saying. My two cents and it doesn't mean squat!!!! Felt like ranting a little.


You and I are in agreement. The good thing for parents of younger - but determined - players - is this. Its a good day when you see that 'click' - and your kid, comes up to bat, with a plan, she tries to read the pitcher, tries to trick the pitcher into playing her game instead of playing the pitcher's game. I see this mental game between my kid and real pitchers and its fun to watch and see who wins - it does finally happen.
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by Blind Squirrel » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:48 pm

TEXASBANDIT24 wrote:Hate to hijack my own thread but the last several posts are exactly why HB is soooo boring. i almost fell asleep reading some of the crap on this thread.

Where are all of the good ol' guys? 43ft.com? Fastpitdirt? Old folks home? DD's don't play no mo cuz they are burnt out by dad?

3monkeys tried to liven it up. maybe I should try to light him up and see him really go off?

Gig em!


Well I find your post to be intellectually challenging, it made my pulse race and my sphinctor pucker. Tell me where you live and I will be happy to reciprocate by demonstrating my crop dusting skills for you.

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by Blind Squirrel » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:07 pm

BTW, just saw the following on the college board. The first kid apparently transferred to Arizona which obviously a step up softball-wise. But why do 6 other players not return from one season to the next? I have no inside knowledge but my guess would be that either the coach is hated big time (doubt it) or scholarship amounts were cut. Kids don't typically take quitting or leaving a school lightly. Like I said before. Be forewarned.

"Colorado State has updated theirs, and Morgan Doughty is MIA. Did she leave or is this a mistake? She was an impact player last year as a freshman, starting most of the games at CF and batting leadoff. If she is gone, that is a big loss for the Rams.

In addition, Kelsey Jo O'Brien (P), Brittany Palish (C), Desire Laswell (P), Jessica Barret, Kelli Groy and Julie Lewis (injured) all seem to not be on the 2012 Roster. Is something going on in Fort Collins?"
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