PGF 2011 - Review and Discussion

[Battle]

:lol:

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Must admit you are the hardest(headed) working man for ASA

That's pretty funny, I have to admit. It actually make me laugh out loud. Kind of like CA supporters are only supporting PGF for the competition...

Do you think I can talk ASA into a team discount for next year Nationals?

[NumeroUno]

Your "best" National was won by a California team that not everyone in CA would agree was the best SoCal team.

What you got was a lesson that SoCal can keep most of their best teams home and still take ASA!

Hey Battle... looks like you losing this uphill of a battle argument/discussion! Just sayin

LOL...I'm not losing anything. Ontheblack says "a Cali team won" and I believe that I've already said that. As far as not being that best team in SoCal, he is correct. TNL is not only the best team in SoCal, they are the best team in the country because they won the ASA 16U. Your PGF winner would have made the top 5 but probably wouldn't have won it. Your PGF 2nd place finishers and down, would have been lucky just to make the top 5 including your so called best Cali teams. Now I'm not saying...I'm just sayin...

Firecrackers Blanco, Corona Angels, So Cal Athletics and Bat Busters Doug all could have won ASA 16U

Did they play 16U PGF?

Yes they did and they are all very good teams, every bit as good as TNL

[Battle]

Yes they did and they are all very good teams, every bit as good as TNL

I'm sure they are very good teams but other than the Firecrackers, they evidently couldn't beat Glory. Glory is the best team in Texas IMO but they probably wouldn't have cracked the top 5 at ASA. We have played and seen glory all year long. We know what they have got compared to the top teams at ASA. Glory Poole barely got out of the starting gate at ASA and they are one of the teams that competed well with Naudin or at least stayed right there with them in qualifiers. If Glory's mission was to be seen by the CA colleges then they succeded. If their intentions was to play the best 16u nationals, then they busted. JMHO

[Iluvblue]

all this talk is pretty funny.

This is simple.... qualify and go to whatever nationals you prefer.

For us, as long as PGF is in SOCAL, there is no doubt where we will try to go.

Every ASA nationals we have been to have been very well ran and have had great facilities. That being said, ridiculous thunderstorms seem to also be the norm, ridiculous humidity seems to be the norm.

So for my teams dollars, socal 78=83 degree, humidity free weather, a very well ran tourney, and good teams is all I need.

Whether it has EVERY top 20 team in the nation means jack squat to me. What is there is just enough to tip the scales for me and my teams. Our location plays a part in that decision, but that is just the way it is.

Why people want to sit and bicker about who is/who isnt there or which team couldnt have finished in top 5 at the other "Nationals," just seems silly to me.

Oly one thing that sucked for PGF IMO, and that was the opening ceremony, but honestly, they could do without any opening ceremony and just have a nce concert with a good band, and most would be very happy.

[Battle]

all this talk is pretty funny.

This is simple.... qualify and go to whatever nationals you prefer.

For us, as long as PGF is in SOCAL, there is no doubt where we will try to go.

Every ASA nationals we have been to have been very well ran and have had great facilities. That being said, ridiculous thunderstorms seem to also be the norm, ridiculous humidity seems to be the norm.

So for my teams dollars, socal 78=83 degree, humidity free weather, a very well ran tourney, and good teams is all I need.

Whether it has EVERY top 20 team in the nation means jack squat to me. What is there is just enough to tip the scales for me and my teams. Our location plays a part in that decision, but that is just the way it is.Why people want to sit and bicker about who is/who isnt there or which team couldnt have finished in top 5 at the other "Nationals," just seems silly to me.

Oly one thing that sucked for PGF IMO, and that was the opening ceremony, but honestly, they could do without any opening ceremony and just have a nce concert with a good band, and most would be very happy.

I agree...You probably did have the best weather...
If this is so silly then why do you read it and comment? All I read in the beginning is how PGF is based primarily on competition and now it's all about weather and location. Make up your mind people!

[ontheblack]

Your "best" National was won by a California team that not everyone in CA would agree was the best SoCal team.

What you got was a lesson that SoCal can keep most of their best teams home and still take ASA!

Hey Battle... looks like you losing this uphill of a battle argument/discussion! Just sayin

LOL...I'm not losing anything. Ontheblack says "a Cali team won" and I believe that I've already said that. As far as not being that best team in SoCal, he is correct. TNL is not only the best team in SoCal, they are the best team in the country because they won the ASA 16U. Your PGF winner would have made the top 5 but probably wouldn't have won it. Your PGF 2nd place finishers and down, would have been lucky just to make the top 5 including your so called best Cali teams. Now I'm not saying...I'm just sayin...

Firecrackers Blanco, Corona Angels, So Cal Athletics and Bat Busters Doug all could have won ASA 16U

Renegades Fox would be in that group as well.

[jmo]

Renegades Fox would be in that group as well.

Cal Lite was also very good. You can always look at Boulder for a good idea too. Southern Force Archibald won Boulder but the 6 of the top 8 at Boulder 16U were at PGF. Another interesting fact is that two of the So Cal 16U teams finished top 10 at ASA Gold and finished 5th and 7th at PGF 16U. Not sure what it all means. There were definitely some good teams at 16U ASA and I know there were lots of good teams at PGF 16's too. Let the squabbling continue.

[cent]

Yes, let the squabbling continue. And it will for a long time because neither ASA or PGF are going away. And look for Triple Crown to make some headlines with some new ideas and tournaments adding to the mix.

For me, and it has been mentioned before, Nationals is about the experience. Those who will jump on here right away and say what about the college scouts, we have had plenty where we have attended, so that is not an issue.

The experience is seeing new places across the country. Seeing the Rosie Parks Museum and the incredible history of the south in Alabama. Going to the Lincoln Library in Illinois. Being next to and seeing the great rivers of our country playing in Kentucky and Illinois seeing the Ohio River and the Mississippi River. I had no idea how big the Ohio River was. Experiencing the sad conditions of Texas with the drought,300 days with no rain, and how hard the oil workers work drilling 16 hours a day and coming home so tired and dirty and repeating the same process the next day.

Sure it is hot and humid, life is not always what you want it to be. But the learning and experience my players, parents, and myself have gained in life besides the softball is immeasurable. These are lifetime experiences that we will always remember about the different parts of the country and the people, food, places that we experience.

The National experience that we have experienced across the country is one I would never give up. I do hope that both ASA and PGF continue to thrive as that gives people choices.

[Makina]

Cent: Very well said!! I'm glad both are around and both give opportunities at a great sport for our daughters!!

[NumeroUno]

Yes, let the squabbling continue. And it will for a long time because neither ASA or PGF are going away. And look for Triple Crown to make some headlines with some new ideas and tournaments adding to the mix.

For me, and it has been mentioned before, Nationals is about the experience. Those who will jump on her right away and say what about the college scouts, we have had plenty where we have attended, so that is not an issue.

The experience is seeing new places across the country. Seeing the Rosie Parks Museum and the incredible history of the south in Alabama. Going to the Lincoln Library in Illinois. Being next to and seeing the great rivers of our country playing in Kentucky and Illinois seeing the Ohio River and the Mississippi River. I had no idea how big the Ohio River was. Experiencing the sad conditions of Texas with the drought,300 days with no rain, and how hard the oil workers work drilling 16 hours a day and coming home so tired and dirty and repeating the same process the next day.

Sure it is hot and humid, life is not always what you want it to be. But the learning and experience my players, parents, and myself have gained in life besides the softball is immeasurable. These are lifetime experiences that we will always remember about the different parts of the country and the people, food, places that we experience.

The National experience that we have experienced across the country is one I would never give up. I do hope that both ASA and PGF continue to thrive as that gives people choices.

I agree 100% on that, I love traveling with the team, going to new places, dealing with all that comes with the new places. So now TC Fireworks is what I enjoy the most . Premier was well ran but we play there all year.