BEWARE Teams Bringing players "down" for Nationals

[anonlooker]

The only time "pick-up" players should be allowed is when "regulars" are injured or cannot make the trip- probably he reason and intent of the rule in the firs place.

I doubt PGF wants to start requiring a note from the doctor. Just keep it simple and get rid of the rule. Those coaches who can't win with the team they have won't win. Seems reasonable.

[NumeroOchocinco]

I was clueless on the Mizuno Pride deal.....I was more talking about the SD Renegades and Cal Lite.

Pride, Renegades, Cal Lite? C'mon man, which one is it? How can we properly trash them if we don't have a good, reliable target?

[AlwaysImprove]

The only time "pick-up" players should be allowed is when "regulars" are injured or cannot make the trip- probably he reason and intent of the rule in the firs place.

I doubt PGF wants to start requiring a note from the doctor. Just keep it simple and get rid of the rule. Those coaches who can't win with the team they have won't win. Seems reasonable.

For us folks not from SoCal it can be hard to get more than 11 kids to commit to team. When the end of the year comes around we always have 2 or 3 kids declare they surprisingly cannot attend nationals. Usually these are kids that are competing for positions. Pick ups allowed us to continue on to nationals.

[heyseed]

So three of top nine places and two of top six places (invites) did this? Glad the top two took care of business. Still stinks for the teams that the three eliminated , to get up there.

[Vess Express]

Just like so many other issues, the parents and coaches have to figure out what works best for them, and their dds. Of course, I don't think it's right to sit half your players and play pickups an entire tournament, but seriously, how often does that happen? Most teams I know of, pick up a player or two that helps to deepen the team, and help out with some at bats.

If you are feeling sorry for all those girls you think are sitting the bench after bringing their team to the big show, I say you should feel a little sorry also for those girls on teams with enormous rosters of 14-15 girls that make it that far. I cannot imagine why anyone with a 10-14 year old girl would think they are improving their dd by sitting the bench that much all year, regardless of who the team is. But apparently, the parents and kids are okay with it, so let them do it.

[southbaysoftball]

I can't speak on Cal Lite or the Renegades. Mizuno Pride 16U competed the whole season with 14-15 girls on our roster. 18G went to ASA and we were scheduled for PFG. The week 18G was in ASA an e-mail went out to the 6 age eligible girls basically telling them that it would be a great exposure opportunity for them to play down at PFG. Our coach had a completely different conversation with us, stating that they would only play on an "as needed basis" and "that our core would be the priority". Needless to say, this did not happen. Every at bat, every pitch and every play was a potential opportunity for one of our core girls to be seen by a recruiter in our biggest exposure of the year. Unfortunately we had to share that time with the 6 girls who spent the entire year traveling and being exposed.

[jonriv]

I can't speak on Cal Lite or the Renegades. Mizuno Pride 16U competed the whole season with 14-15 girls on our roster. 18G went to ASA and we were scheduled for PFG. The week 18G was in ASA an e-mail went out to the 6 age eligible girls basically telling them that it would be a great exposure opportunity for them to play down at PFG. Our coach had a completely different conversation with us, stating that they would only play on an "as needed basis" and "that our core would be the priority". Needless to say, this did not happen. Every at bat, every pitch and every play was a potential opportunity for one of our core girls to be seen by a recruiter in our biggest exposure of the year. Unfortunately we had to share that time with the 6 girls who spent the entire year traveling and being exposed.

Did I here "refund"

[sharktank]

You are a joke southbaysoftball....You say your daughter was not affected by the "6" girls that were brought down? Really? So you are some super hero coming on here to stick up for the other girls? You just want to stir the pot. I would be willing to bet there was more to this than the information you are passing on! Your daughter was probably one of the ones pushed to the side and you are just bitter! You just signed up for HB so you can come on here and light a fire and stir the pot! You have no credibilty! From what I have been reading nobody knows the in's and out's of what happened (injuries,players leaving before etc...) If your DD was that good and recruitable she would have played! If she did play like you say, I hope she did well and got recruited but be thankful and move on to another organization. I am sure she could be the 16th player on some of the other teams and you will be on HB stirring the pot about that! Man up and take it up with the top of the organization instead of going on HB!

I can't speak on Cal Lite or the Renegades. Mizuno Pride 16U competed the whole season with 14-15 girls on our roster. 18G went to ASA and we were scheduled for PFG. The week 18G was in ASA an e-mail went out to the 6 age eligible girls basically telling them that it would be a great exposure opportunity for them to play down at PFG. Our coach had a completely different conversation with us, stating that they would only play on an "as needed basis" and "that our core would be the priority". Needless to say, this did not happen. Every at bat, every pitch and every play was a potential opportunity for one of our core girls to be seen by a recruiter in our biggest exposure of the year. Unfortunately we had to share that time with the 6 girls who spent the entire year traveling and being exposed.

[anonlooker]

You are a joke southbaysoftball....You say your daughter was not affected by the "6" girls that were brought down? Really? So you are some super hero coming on here to stick up for the other girls? You just want to stir the pot. I would be willing to bet there was more to this than the information you are passing on! Your daughter was probably one of the ones pushed to the side and you are just bitter! You just signed up for HB so you can come on here and light a fire and stir the pot! You have no credibilty! From what I have been reading nobody knows the in's and out's of what happened (injuries,players leaving before etc...) If your DD was that good and recruitable she would have played! If she did play like you say, I hope she did well and got recruited but be thankful and move on to another organization. I am sure she could be the 16th player on some of the other teams and you will be on HB stirring the pot about that! Man up and take it up with the top of the organization instead of going on HB!

And you have credibilty? You can't even spell it.

His credibility stems from his willingness to share his perspective with others in the softball community on how Mizuno Pride treats its players, likely from a desire that others not have to suffer through a similar situation. That's what message boards are for, sharing information and opinions.

Why do you have a problem with that? Why not just share your perspective on the "in's and out's of what happened" so people can judge for themselves.

[Skarp]

Your daughter was probably one of the ones pushed to the side and you are just bitter!

So what if she was? If so, she got royally screwed by a an utterly classless organization. Period. And if they brought down 6 players from their gold team to chase a 16U trophy, she wasn't alone; fully 2/3 of the starters who played all year long were conceivably displaced.

If we were on a team that did that, whether or not my own kid was affected, the bucket beat-down I would deliver on the team, the organization, and the coaches, would be nothing short of epic. I commend southbaysoftball and the other members of the team for their restraint. They are far better folks than I.