Premier Northern Cal

[ontheblack]

Looks like the main diff between PGF and ASA is the distance they play their championship tourney at. Everything else is starting to look the same.

There was a saying I used to hear a lot back when the economy was bubbling with "irrational exuberance". It was "The problem with today's kids is that they think they should start off where Daddy ended up".

IMO we tend to have the same expectations of Premier - launching a new org with a start that is better than what ASA has spent years trying to accomplish. Its still a little too early to be this overly critical, Ben.

I think for you this is more about Bruder getting a berth than not.

[BenAround]

hmmm, Gary and Dan are new to this and need you to make excuses for them?

The reference you make is about children expecting to start their lives with the benefits that their parents have worked a lifetime to achieve. You know, getting something without putting in the time or effort. AKA entitlement.

It is NOT about inexperience or a lack of expertise.

If you're gonna toss out an analogy, at least get one that makes the proper point.

Bruder getting a berth? Yes, the world would be a better, if not quieter place, if he had not been berthed.

[ontheblack]

You know, getting something without putting in the time or effort.

Thats fairly close to my point, Ben. PGF hasnt been able to put in the collective time and effort that ASA has done, but our expectations (re: entitlement) are high.

What they did with 16s & 18s last year was flat out amazing. However, the 14s this year show that there is more time and effort needed. Given the scale of this, I cant fault them for that and dont believe that makes me an apologist for them. That said, this isnt the same as SCF. There is no excuse for how those go down.

[BenAround]

You know the PGF is for profit right ? When you PAY for something and the delivery falls short it's not entitlement. SCF is run by the same folks, isn't it? You sound like an absolute apologist.

[AlwaysImprove]

You know the PGF is for profit right ? When you PAY for something and the delivery falls short it's not entitlement. SCF is run by the same folks, isn't it? You sound like an absolute apologist.

Are they double charging for hotels in Midland, TX and making you stay in town for 10 days? When PGF gets that bad, then ASA again becomes a viable alternative.

[BenAround]

Now it's the "Well they're not as bad as argument...."

You're right, they're not as bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're good.

PGF is a business. PGF is "for profit". The sooner many of you realize that, the more comfortable you'll be hearing about their shortfalls.

[AlwaysImprove]

:lol: Now it's the "Well they're not as bad as argument...."

You're right, they're not as bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're good.

PGF is a business. PGF is "for profit". The sooner many of you realize that, the more comfortable you'll be hearing about their shortfalls.

Exactly. I do not think the FC and the Sting getting a berth is that big of a deal. They both have a chance of finishing top 20, they should be in the tournament.

Yes, ASA itself is not for profit. The people walking away from the ASA nationals tournaments with the money, they are all for profit people. They are merely hiding/using ASA.

Currently question is do you want profit going to hotel owners in Midland, Johnson City or Montgomery or to Gary and Dan?

[ontheblack]

You're right, they're not as bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're good.

PGF is a business. PGF is "for profit". The sooner many of you realize that, the more comfortable you'll be hearing about their shortfalls.

I get that. Not only am I comfortable hearing about the shortfalls, but I expect them because Im a realist who understands that new products, as well as new businesses, rarely start off without glitches. Throw in present day economics and it doesnt surprise me that a Florida qualifier for a new event 3000 miles away doesnt have as many entrees as expected. I dont see that being a major long term issue.

What major issues do you see that have not yet been made public and acknowledged by PGF?

[BenAround]

Sliding way too off topic.

PGF gave away too many berths.

PGF "sold" the Fl. berths to teams that did not have to actually earn their berth via competition on the field. They could easily include language in the tourney contract that indicates if the tourney is not held due to lack of teams (aka interest) NO berths would be awarded and the money would be refunded. The drop dead date could be well before any team flew out. OMG $$$ refunded, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

PGF is a for profit business. The apologists need to remember that. What better way to make profit than to charge for a tournament, not have it, then hand out berths.

Gary and Dan have been running and making $$$ from tournaments for YEARS. They are not new to this arena. Making excuses for them indicating so is ignorant.

To answer your irrelevant question: I don't care who gets the money, as long as they provide a high quality product. Freebies and pay-to-play don't indicate a quality product.

[ontheblack]

Inferring that running SFC tourneys locally is comparable to what Premier is doing on a national basis is ignorant, if not moronic.