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12U Bracketologist Ranking - Pre ASA Nationals Updated Poll

by ONE FOR THE ROAD » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:52 pm

DUP wrote:
ONE FOR THE ROAD wrote:I HEARD MIZUNO PRIDE 98 OVER USA ATHLETICS-BEROUTY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AT A TOURNAMENT IN WHITTIER. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFRIM.



That is correct! Took 2 ITB's for Pride to get the "W"...it was an awesome game on both sides from the get-go!



DUP HOW COME MIZUNO PRIDE 98 IS NOT CHASING A BERTH ? I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF QUALITY WINS FROM THEM.
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by glasshalfempty » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:35 pm

WendyPeffercorn wrote:
sofbal1234 wrote:Hip hip hooray... WendyPeffercorn came out to play!!! You Punished parents are so gullible!!! I fricken LOVE IT ;)
If you haven't figured out JM's game plan yet that's your own fault. Read Closers latest updated top 5 ranks/predicts and he's basically been doing the same as fc98 with the same philosophy practically. Meanwhile, avoiding any major match-ups, like friendlies vs. FC98, any BB's or any top 10's (worthy of a top 10 that is) til he gets his puzzle all put together...Basically, flying under the radar for a reason!!! :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: And I think he's there BTW!!! Time will tell soon enough, right!!! ;)


Maybe if you would put some shoes on and get out of the kitchen, you can help him with the the puzzle. I'm mean he's only been trying to put it together since fall of last year, but glad to hear you bought in...keep the red cups full.

Philosophies can be copied, but the horses can not. Most of these girls on Victory and FC98 have been playing travel ball for 4 years and played in multiple National Championships.

And if you haven't figured it out yet...it is a two horse race. Yes time will tell, as everyone can only wait and hope they draw each other out the gate!!!


I agree with you in general, but I think you have left out one team. Formerly known as OC Underachieve@STC. Truth be known, I would love to see So Cal represent well and all three of these teams stumble. I don't know if that's possible, but I can't help hoping for the underdog. The heybucket homers from Punishers and CA98 make it hard for me to root for them though.

Top Contenders (Whoever gets the best draw has the best chance among these three)
1. Firecrackers 98- Exceptional Team (Best Hitting Team in 12u) Top notch pitching. Deep everywhere. If blues call crow hopping, this could be more of a challenge. Last time I saw, team speed was an issue. Hitting separates this team from #2 and #3.

2. Victory USA 98- Exceptional Team (Best Defensive Team) Top notch pitching. Best coaching.

3. OC Batbusters 98 Exceptional Team (Has the Best Overall Pitcher) Could be the difference!! Coaching could cost them.

Needs a lot of luck to win it all!!!
5. Team Rawlings 98- One pitcher is not enough. Team can breakdown when pressured.
5. Firecrackers 99- Great pitcher, too young to win it. Next year!

Needs an Extremely Good Draw (The top five on one side of the bracket)
7. Punishers 98***- Smoke and Mirrors- Good hitting team, but vulnerable on defense, pitching. Inconsistent!!! Will get tripped up by inferior teams. Coaching remains a question mark!

Top Ten finish will be a great accomplishment All these teams lack a dominant #1 pitcher.[/b]
12. Corona Angels 98- Just another team, can hit, but defense and pitching is questionable. Has to outscore opponents.
12. OC Batbusters- Briggs- Maybe next year. Too young, no experience.
12. Sun Devils- Needs more help. Not enough pitching.
12. So Cal Athletics- Need a top notch pitcher and a big bat.
12. Choppers Black***- One pitcher won't get it done and she is good, but not great.
16. Cal Cruisers-Sievers- Big Roster of "good" players. Good everywhere, but great nowhere.
16. Choppers Vannoy- Hits!!! Pitching and "D" need help!
16. AA-Miles- Needs alittle bit of everything. Very much like Cruisers with less players.
16. American Pastime 98- Congrats!!! Never thought you'd make it. Need a lot of help, being top 30 will be accomplishment
16. So Cal Hurricanes 98- Good team, needs a dominant pitcher and hitters.

Between Breakers, USA A's98 and Nemesis- It's toss up to me. Breakers impressed me earlier this year, but they seem to keep losing the close ones. USA A's have a good team, but vulnerable to marginal teams. Nemesis is decent and has a chance as well.

Who moves on? Who breaks up? Who goes to Westerns? Westerns is like going to Sizzler, its cheaper and less satisfying. ASA Nationals is like going to Ruth Chris, its expensive and much more satisfying.

The 12's and 16's, who the hell knows, they can all beat each other and every team up to teams #1,#2 and #3.

***Didn't earn their berth through competition.
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by glasshalfempty » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:50 pm

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TheCloser wrote:Victory 98 over Bat Attack 14U
Victory 98 over Team Rawlings 98
Victory 98 tie FC 97 Sota

FC 98 over Bat Attack 14U
FC 98 over Team Rawlings 98

One more note, FC 98 over CA Lockman 97 on Saturday.

The 98 class gets no love from the Bracky's of the world but we can also play.


A great showing for both FC98 and VC98. The issue on the bucket has not been that the 98's are not any good - it is that as a class there is not alot of depth. As a result of this perception (the 98 lack talent) there are a lot of 98s playing up.

PS. Had a chance to watch one of the 98 pitchers playing up in 14U at Premier Girls Fastpitch So Ca qualifier and she is very good...... would have made a number of 98s teams very competitive at Nationals.


Let's get specific, if Firecrackers-Javier lays an egg in Nor Cal Premier, do they breakup? Does their outstanding 98 pitcher go to one of the top three teams to be the difference? Which team has the deepest pockets? Who will offer a free ride and more? And since they have played for teams #1 and #2 before, how did those teams and the player in question part? Could be interesting? Time will tell.

All that build up and Firecrackers-Javier qualified in Nor Cal!!! Congrats!!!

Now we have to wait til next week and see what happens in Clovis in the 12u Regional. Good luck So Cal teams, but someone is coming home empty handed.
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by sofbal1234 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:33 am

glasshalfempty wrote:
WendyPeffercorn wrote:
sofbal1234 wrote:Hip hip hooray... WendyPeffercorn came out to play!!! You Punished parents are so gullible!!! I fricken LOVE IT ;)
If you haven't figured out JM's game plan yet that's your own fault. Read Closers latest updated top 5 ranks/predicts and he's basically been doing the same as fc98 with the same philosophy practically. Meanwhile, avoiding any major match-ups, like friendlies vs. FC98, any BB's or any top 10's (worthy of a top 10 that is) til he gets his puzzle all put together...Basically, flying under the radar for a reason!!! :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: And I think he's there BTW!!! Time will tell soon enough, right!!! ;)


Maybe if you would put some shoes on and get out of the kitchen, you can help him with the the puzzle. I'm mean he's only been trying to put it together since fall of last year, but glad to hear you bought in...keep the red cups full.

Philosophies can be copied, but the horses can not. Most of these girls on Victory and FC98 have been playing travel ball for 4 years and played in multiple National Championships.

And if you haven't figured it out yet...it is a two horse race. Yes time will tell, as everyone can only wait and hope they draw each other out the gate!!!


I agree with you in general, but I think you have left out one team. Formerly known as OC Underachieve@STC. Truth be known, I would love to see So Cal represent well and all three of these teams stumble. I don't know if that's possible, but I can't help hoping for the underdog. The heybucket homers from Punishers and CA98 make it hard for me to root for them though.

Top Contenders (Whoever gets the best draw has the best chance among these three)
1. Firecrackers 98- Exceptional Team (Best Hitting Team in 12u) Top notch pitching. Deep everywhere. If blues call crow hopping, this could be more of a challenge. Last time I saw, team speed was an issue. Hitting separates this team from #2 and #3.

2. Victory USA 98- Exceptional Team (Best Defensive Team) Top notch pitching. Best coaching.

3. OC Batbusters 98 Exceptional Team (Has the Best Overall Pitcher) Could be the difference!! Coaching could cost them.

Needs a lot of luck to win it all!!!
5. Team Rawlings 98- One pitcher is not enough. Team can breakdown when pressured.
5. Firecrackers 99- Great pitcher, too young to win it. Next year!

Needs an Extremely Good Draw (The top five on one side of the bracket)
7. Punishers 98***- Smoke and Mirrors- Good hitting team, but vulnerable on defense, pitching. Inconsistent!!! Will get tripped up by inferior teams. Coaching remains a question mark!

Top Ten finish will be a great accomplishment All these teams lack a dominant #1 pitcher.[/b]
12. Corona Angels 98- Just another team, can hit, but defense and pitching is questionable. Has to outscore opponents.
12. OC Batbusters- Briggs- Maybe next year. Too young, no experience.
12. Sun Devils- Needs more help. Not enough pitching.
12. So Cal Athletics- Need a top notch pitcher and a big bat.
12. Choppers Black***- One pitcher won't get it done and she is good, but not great.
16. Cal Cruisers-Sievers- Big Roster of "good" players. Good everywhere, but great nowhere.
16. Choppers Vannoy- Hits!!! Pitching and "D" need help!
16. AA-Miles- Needs alittle bit of everything. Very much like Cruisers with less players.
16. American Pastime 98- Congrats!!! Never thought you'd make it. Need a lot of help, being top 30 will be accomplishment
16. So Cal Hurricanes 98- Good team, needs a dominant pitcher and hitters.

Between Breakers, USA A's98 and Nemesis- It's toss up to me. Breakers impressed me earlier this year, but they seem to keep losing the close ones. USA A's have a good team, but vulnerable to marginal teams. Nemesis is decent and has a chance as well.

Who moves on? Who breaks up? Who goes to Westerns? Westerns is like going to Sizzler, its cheaper and less satisfying. ASA Nationals is like going to Ruth Chris, its expensive and much more satisfying.

The 12's and 16's, who the hell knows, they can all beat each other and every team up to teams #1,#2 and #3.

***Didn't earn their berth through competition.

We want our #22 ranking back, glass :!: :!: :!: We play much better when the odds are against us! :D
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by Mr. Monday! » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:30 am

sofbal1234 wrote:You the man PDad!!! Now hopefully somebody will update them soon.... :shock: :lol:



They said only teo team from the south have signed up. The director said that if two show they will have to play. Interesting why some Nor Cal teams would not jump in since the mighty south is in town... :lol:
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by sofbal1234 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:49 am

Mr. Monday! wrote:
sofbal1234 wrote:You the man PDad!!! Now hopefully somebody will update them soon.... :shock: :lol:



They said only teo team from the south have signed up. The director said that if two show they will have to play. Interesting why some Nor Cal teams would not jump in since the mighty south is in town... :lol:

Maybe it's because they know or heard the 2 teams are VERY GOOD teams and figured it would only be a waste of money to enter??? :o :o :o :lol:
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by sofbal1234 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:00 pm

just curious wrote:how do you manage to get your foot in your mouth with your head that far up your azz

pretty mouthy for a team that couldnt even finish top 10 at state

Uuuuuh, Yoga!!!? NO...Wait a minute, was that a trick question? :? :? :?

I thought we were in the top 10???... Oh well. If not, we PROBABLY would have been knowing the schedule we would have been facing the next 2 games and the way the girls started playing!!!

BTW... I really can't see anything wrong with making an assessment of why teams from up north didn't get in that tourney!!! Have YOU seen any of the teams play that DID NOT already qualify? Or are you just assuming that their are SEVERAL teams that can beat USA Athletics 98 and Breakers Sieber? I'VE SEEN and KNOW that my statement is a good possibility!!! :o

Another hater just wanting to get his/her name on the board by jumping on the bandwagon... WHAT EVER, just curious!!! WHAT EVER!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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by TheCloser » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:20 pm

ASA needs to do a better job of controlling the number of berths awarded. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 100 teams at Nationals and more than 15 from So Cal.

It's funny because at work I tell people that I'm taking some days off in the next few weeks to attend Nationals with my DD. They respond with a "Wow, that's a big accomplishment" and I think in my head, no it's not. If you have a heart beat, deep pockets, and an ok team you can find a way to qualify.

12 berths for the So Cal State Tournament is too much. Top 5 should qualify and the others should fight for a berth or two at Regionals. They should also max out the tournament at 64 teams.
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by ontheblack » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:36 pm

TheCloser wrote:ASA needs to do a better job of controlling the number of berths awarded. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 100 teams at Nationals and more than 15 from So Cal.

It's funny because at work I tell people that I'm taking some days off in the next few weeks to attend Nationals with my DD. They respond with a "Wow, that's a big accomplishment" and I think in my head, no it's not. If you have a heart beat, deep pockets, and an ok team you can find a way to qualify.

12 berths for the So Cal State Tournament is too much. Top 5 should qualify and the others should fight for a berth or two at Regionals. They should also max out the tournament at 64 teams.


Sounds like Premier 12u next year.
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by skilz365 » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:14 pm

Be careful GlassHalfEmpty........you know the old saying, "consider the source from whom you get your information from!" Could it be an ex-Punisher, cut player, or Know it all dad/ex-coach??? By the way, Congrats to Punishers for their Championship victory over Team Rawlings at the Double Play Tournament.

Tired of hearing haters bash the Corona Angels' 98 & Punishers '98. The absolute truth is this........too many whining dads complaining about the Angels & Punishers because their daughter was either cut or did not make one of these teams. Angels & Punishers play the game with respect, they compete, and have proven they are elite teams. If you whining dads open your eyes and are honest about your own daughters weeknesses, maybe you will be better for it in the future! :o :o

I'm sure these dad's will BS some other team on how GREAT their daughters are!!!! :lol: :lol:
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