PGF v. ASA

[BANDITO99]

If you go to the PGF website and click on the qualifier you need to view when the next menu appears click on Fields and Time this will display a bracket and winners as well as qualified teams. hope this helps

[Gary Haning]

Thanks for the comments and if there are any specific things that you would like to say please email me at batbuste@pacbell.net, I promise to read all and reply as best I can.

I heard a number of things about Arizona and there are obviously things we need to improve.

The updating of scores and brackets has been a problem as the chain to get the stuff to our website is too long and has many weak links. The qualifiers all have their own websites but peope do not know of them if they arre not on a team in the tournament.

We had three qualifiers this weekend, Texas went very well, New Jersey went very well and Arizona did not go well. There are a million moving parts to these things and I freely admit we need to learn and grow. ASA has thousands of people running tournaments for them, Triple crown or others like them has the same as well as paid local reps to oversee their events.

This is our secondyear of existence, we have to build an infrastructure and it will take some time. If a team chooses to play elsewhere until it sees we have overcome these issues that is its right and we understand. We will continue to work to see that all of the tournaments we are involved in are run correctly and that tournament information is readily available to all.

[fastpitchdad05]

I have been critical of PGF in the past and so in fairness I would like to commend Gary Haning for being quick to respond and to take responsiblity.

The next time I see an ASA leader come on HB and apologize or take responsiblity for any of their mistakes will be the first time.

Thank you Mr. Haning...my DD's team is not quite good enough for PGF this season, but if you keep heading in the right direction and endeavoring to improve, I look forward to the day when hopefully she will play at a PGF tournament.

Regards,
Fastpitchdad05

[ocdad]

The one big question I have had with PGF, how is this going to impact player movement???

With ASA being the only show once the rosters were redlined, your roster was pretty much protected unless players were willing to do Triple Crown, but now with PGF Berths being the golden ticket, will players leave ASA Qualified teams for PGF Qualified teams?

Not sure how many pick up players are allowed for PGF?

Not sure if this has been answered already, been away for awhile now.

[AlwaysImprove]

Apart from the fact that ASA puts national championships is godforsaken places like Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana, and South Dakota, one common issue relates to ASA's unwillingness to communicate with its constituents. PGF has fixed the geographic issues, but the PGF communication just plain sucks. The website is consistently outdated by months, nobody can see who is playing where, or get results, or track qualified teams, etc. Also, based on unscientific exit polls from the precincts reporting to date, the qualifiers have been plagued with problems. (Which, I assume, will be ironed out by June 16).

If PGF is supposed to be a big deal, why is it not handled that way? Until it is run across the board as a top shelf organization, ASA will continue to be the better option, weather be damned.

I think you are missing the big problems people have had with ASA. They put up with the hell hole tournament locations. They put up with the 140 team brackets, which included teams that were unsafe on the field with each other.

It was when ASA when on full tilt greedy mode and lengthened and lengthened and lengthened their tournaments to what we now have in the 11/12 day format. This happened at the same time that the locales hosting became mega greedy. Instead of charging a 20% hotel room premium, they raised and raised until you are now often paying nearly a 100% premium for a hotel room.

What did ASA get in return. More free room nights, more free beer and more free banquets for the umpires. All on the coaches, teams and parents backs.

Yeah, ASA may garner a large number of teams for midland, but the writing is on the wall and ASA knows it. ASA A nationals will likely draw quality teams up from westerns/easterns/... to create their numbers.

[sftblldud]

The one big question I have had with PGF, how is this going to impact player movement???

With ASA being the only show once the rosters were redlined, your roster was pretty much protected unless players were willing to do Triple Crown, but now with PGF Berths being the golden ticket, will players leave ASA Qualified teams for PGF Qualified teams?

Not sure how many pick up players are allowed for PGF?

Not sure if this has been answered already, been away for awhile now.

One word: You Bet!!!

[porcupine]

This is our second year of existence, we have to build an infrastructure and it will take some time. . . . We will continue to work to see that all of the tournaments we are involved in are run correctly and that tournament information is readily available to all.

Fair enough and thanks. I for one hope that it goes well because the ASA product is lacking in several ways. I just think it is incredibly important to PGF's success that you look well beyond the obvious and realize that the rest of the country will be evaluating the entire package.

[sftblldud]

Porky, just to let you know that I find Heybucket to be PRO-PGF. The reason I'm pro PGF is because I live in Calif. and it makes perfect sense($$$) for me to be pro PGF.

[fasterpitch92701]

fastpitchdad05.... have you been to Midland ? Don't you want to embrace...

12,000 white Ford F-250's and 350's, jacked up to nosebleed elevation with large bumpers...

The Permian Basin oil museum?

Lightening breaking up your 107 degree weather and 95% humidity?

Telling your daughter why all underpasses have numbers on the pillars for water depth?

Getting a "Lord of the Onion Rings" t-shirt?

Watch with awe as an oil well slowly milks mother earth of crude...

Seeing the home of GW Bush.... like him or not... it isn't even his birthplace, just a residence...

Seeing a high school football stadium that would rival 95% of the colleges on the planet (as "Friday Night Lights" is all about Midland... and they take football very, very seriously)



ahhhhh... so much to embrace, to savor, to experience with glee and joy in the heart... Don't forget to try some health food at the fields, particularly the french fried Snickers !!!

[fastpitchdad05]

fastpitchdad05.... have you been to Midland ? Don't you want to embrace...

12,000 white Ford F-250's and 350's, jacked up to nosebleed elevation with large bumpers...

The Permian Basin oil museum?

Lightening breaking up your 107 degree weather and 95% humidity?

Telling your daughter why all underpasses have numbers on the pillars for water depth?

Getting a "Lord of the Onion Rings" t-shirt?

Watch with awe as an oil well slowly milks mother earth of crude...

Seeing the home of GW Bush.... like him or not... it isn't even his birthplace, just a residence...

Seeing a high school football stadium that would rival 95% of the colleges on the planet (as "Friday Night Lights" is all about Midland... and they take football very, very seriously)



ahhhhh... so much to embrace, to savor, to experience with glee and joy in the heart... Don't forget to try some health food at the fields, particularly the french fried Snickers !!!

As enticing as all those things sound, we'll have to pass.