D3K

[Sam]

This isn't on the defense...its on both of them. We have rules re: batters having one foot in the box while receiving signs to speed up the game...why in the world would you encourage this type of BS play by the offense...isn't it at least a charged offensive TO...the batter has no reason to break to 1B...unless it is to confer with the 1B coach.

Nope, thats stretching it. Youre not getting that.

ASA has chose to SPECIFICALLY not call this interference. The intent and specific wording of ASA rules require that defense are going to have to brain up on this one.

This exact play is discussed at many clinics.

No umpire worth his salt is giving you anything on this play.

The rule doesn't cover the BR attempting this with only 2 strikes. I believe it covers the BR running to 1B on D3K or a perceived D3K with 1B occupied and less than 2 outs. To my knowledge there is no D2K rule.

[MTR]

The rule doesn't cover the BR attempting this with only 2 strikes. I believe it covers the BR running to 1B on D3K or a perceived D3K with 1B occupied and less than 2 outs. To my knowledge there is no D2K rule.

So, show me the rule that forbids it? The batter is permitted to leave the box after a swing, and it supposed to abandon the plate area to give the defense room to execute the play on the advancing runner.

There is nothing in the rules forbidding the action noted here.

[Sam]

The rule doesn't cover the BR attempting this with only 2 strikes. I believe it covers the BR running to 1B on D3K or a perceived D3K with 1B occupied and less than 2 outs. To my knowledge there is no D2K rule.

So, show me the rule that forbids it? The batter is permitted to leave the box after a swing, and it supposed to abandon the plate area to give the defense room to execute the play on the advancing runner.

There is nothing in the rules forbidding the action noted here.

I thought the batter was supposed to keep one foot in the box to get the sign from the coach.

Beyond that...I guess you are saying you would do nothing if a team's batters were to run to 1B after each pitch? It could be a great game delaying tactic.

How about if she ran ALL the bases? There is no rule against that either....

[MTR]

I thought the batter was supposed to keep one foot in the box to get the sign from the coach.

When you read that rule, move your thumb. There are eight exceptions to that requirement.

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Beyond that...I guess you are saying you would do nothing if a team's batters were to run to 1B after each pitch? It could be a great game delaying tactic.

How about if she ran ALL the bases? There is no rule against that either....

Amazing how that strawman argument appeared the moment you were asked a question you could not answer. Read the rules.

[Sam]

I thought the batter was supposed to keep one foot in the box to get the sign from the coach.

When you read that rule, move your thumb. There are eight exceptions to that requirement.

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Beyond that...I guess you are saying you would do nothing if a team's batters were to run to 1B after each pitch? It could be a great game delaying tactic.

How about if she ran ALL the bases? There is no rule against that either....

Amazing how that strawman argument appeared the moment you were asked a question you could not answer. Read the rules.

...and not even surprising that you wouldn't answer a valid question that didn't fit your paradigm.

OBTW: Is running to 1B on a D2K one of the exceptions?

[Martin]

Read the rules.

A good idea, but one that is not as simple as it first seems. Since ASA is the "coin of the realm," most rules discussions default to that body. But finding an ASA rule book is slightly less complicated that finding the operations manual for the Free Masons.

If I have a baseball rules question, Official Baseball Rules (OBR) are easy to find. Not so with softball. Unless somebody knows of a link to the ASA rule book.

ASA would be doing the sport a tremendous service if it published its rulebook online. I understand ASA membership gets your team a few books, but that is not exactly the best way to keep inquisitive fans, players, and parents informed. The average life expectency of our umpires might increase by as much as a year due to less stress caused from incredibly-stupid rules debates.

[MTR]

I thought the batter was supposed to keep one foot in the box to get the sign from the coach.

When you read that rule, move your thumb. There are eight exceptions to that requirement.

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Beyond that...I guess you are saying you would do nothing if a team's batters were to run to 1B after each pitch? It could be a great game delaying tactic.

How about if she ran ALL the bases? There is no rule against that either....

Amazing how that strawman argument appeared the moment you were asked a question you could not answer. Read the rules.

...and not even surprising that you wouldn't answer a valid question that didn't fit your paradigm.

OBTW: Is running to 1B on a D2K one of the exceptions?

Question has been answered, but it seems it doesn't fit your beliefs.

[Martin]

MTR, I don't see where you answered Sam's question. What I see is you dismissing his question as a strawman argument.

I don't see Sam's question as a strawman, which describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attributing that position to the opponent. I don't recall Sam saying that you advocated letting runners circle the bases on every pitch. He asked if that would be ok. He is trying to understand the limits of your argument that a batter may leave the box after a pitch. This is closer to what is known as "proof by exhaustion," where each instance of a phenomena is examined to determine if a single proof holds for all of them.

Since I don't have the ASA rulebook before me (see my earlier post), it is impossible for me to read the eight exceptions you refer to. I therefore turn to you to explain the nuances of when and for how long a batter may leave the batter's box when a pitch has not been batted.

[MTR]

MTR, I don't see where you answered Sam's question.

Yet you reference it below.

What I see is you dismissing his question as a strawman argument.

I don't see Sam's question as a strawman, which describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attributing that position to the opponent. I don't recall Sam saying that you advocated letting runners circle the bases on every pitch. He asked if that would be ok. He is trying to understand the limits of your argument that a batter may leave the box after a pitch. This is closer to what is known as "proof by exhaustion," where each instance of a phenomena is examined to determine if a single proof holds for all of them.

Sam voices his opinion that the issue of discussion must be against the rules, I know it isn't against the rule and ask him to quantify his beliefs with a rules citation and in response, he provides an absurdity.

Since I don't have the ASA rulebook before me (see my earlier post), it is impossible for me to read the eight exceptions you refer to. I therefore turn to you to explain the nuances of when and for how long a batter may leave the batter's box when a pitch has not been batted.

No, I don't need to explain anything.

[Judd]

But finding an ASA rule book is slightly less complicated that finding the operations manual for the Free Masons.

Google 2008 ASA rule book didnt take me but 20 seconds


http://www.minisoft.us/asawashington/HT ... h_code.pdf


I believe page 70 is the page in reference