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Pitchers - Wear your masks

by etx bd » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:21 am

Shouldn't we also be addressing the risk involved in the 100+ mph ball striking the chest? The risk is equal to being hit in the head or possibly greater due to the larger target. Worst case in a high impact chest injury is death. Are you advocating every child at 1st, 3rd and "toeing the rubber" wear a chest protector?

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by MarkJMillsap » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:23 am

Blind Squirrel wrote:
MarkJMillsap wrote:
Trophy Hunter wrote:
MarkJMillsap wrote:
Trophy Hunter wrote:
why not? wrote:
Trophy Hunter wrote:Its not an argument, its a question.
Either way, why is it idiotic?



Do you really need to ask??? If you don't know, you won't understand.....


Another non-responsive reply. If you do know, please respond to the question.


Here. let me answer for them. Ever hear of the "comparing apples to oranges analogy?"


Yes, I have.
Let's say the apple is the topic at hand - "child safety"... what is the orange?


Actually, it's comparing the dangers of softball with that of driving in a car. There are several variables you have no control over. Ie; other drivers. Does your dd wear a seatbelt? Does she sit in the front if she's under 12? There are many more, but I'm sure you get the point. I'm sure we all do everything we can to ensure the safety of our children. Why not on the softball field?


Since you happen to be engaged in this at the moment, care to respond to my post regarding safety in a softball dugout? Do you plan on requiring your daughter to wear a helmet in the dugout? Or am I delusional in my belief that my question has some relevance to the topic being discussed in this thread?

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The only real relevance is the injury. You and I both know it was an anomaly! Anyway, in 10u all the dugouts have fences.
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by Sabertooth » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:43 am

I don't really care to side on this topic, one way or the other. Certainly everyone has the option to wear a mask if they desire. However, the thought did occur to me while reading the posts, concerning players appearing "weak" while wearing a mask. And the psychological undertone that goes with that.

I seem to recall the increase in Professional Bull Riders wearing helmets WITH face masks as of late. I wonder if they're "wussy's"? Just a thought.
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by ontheblack » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:54 am

No, my kids dont wear helmets in my car. I do require that they wear seat belts and I invest in vehicles with side airbags in addition to the standard ones in the front seat.

I do not believe that wearing a crash helmet isnt going to improve their risk of not getting hurt given the other safety equipment standard in most cars. I do believe that wearing a mask while pitching does lessen the odds of serious injury though, while not hindering performance. Given that analysis, my kid has elected to wear a mask when pitching. My youngest will not be afforded the luxury of making that decision on her own though. I have already made it for her.

Im not trying to stake out the moral high ground here as I dont believe there is any. My biggest pet peeve in the mask issue are those who use ill-conceived or ill-logical arguments on both sides. There is plenty of info out there. As a parent, weight the risk to benefit and make your own decisions. The fact that the scales others use to weigh that info isnt calibrated the same as mine is another factor. That factor has nothing to do with parental skills or intelligence. That said, some of the arguments made on both sides are less than intelligent.
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by MarkJMillsap » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:05 am

Trophy Hunter wrote:
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Actually, it's comparing the dangers of softball with that of driving in a car. There are several variables you have no control over. Ie; other drivers. Does your dd wear a seatbelt? Does she sit in the front if she's under 12? There are many more, but I'm sure you get the point. I'm sure we all do everything we can to ensure the safety of our children. Why not on the softball field?


You can't stake out the moral high ground one a matter of child safety with extremely rare incidence and completely ignore one of relatively common incidence. Unless you're a hypocrit.

You bring in variables you have no control over, such as other drivers, but wouldn't that point toward imposing even greater safety measures while in a vehicle?

Your child is at much greater risk in a car than on a softball diamond. Why don't you make her wear a crash helmet in the car?



First of all it's hypocrite, and in some sense we're all one. Simply put cars are a nessecity. If you haven't noticed there have been multiple safety measures added in recent years (air bags, mandatory seat belt law, etc). By the way, my dd sits in the middle in the back seat. There really is no comparison between the two, unless you consider I drive a car to my dd's softball games.
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by Blind Squirrel » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:58 pm

Any of the helmet advocates willing to directly answer the question I posed earlier? Having read about what happened to Kenzie, will you now require your child to wear head protection whenever they are in an unprotected dugout during a game? (now and in the future when kids don't always play in protected dugouts)

BTW, I agree that what happened to her was an anomaly. Is a kid getting in the face with a batted ball an anomaly? Obviously it is, assuming you know the meaning of the word.

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by Battle » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:35 pm

Blind Squirrel wrote:Any of the helmet advocates willing to directly answer the question I posed earlier?

Absolutely YES. If our kids doesn't have a protective dugout, then yes. Then, mandate the fields to have protective dugouts for the safety of our kids. Now answer these questions: If it wasn't a requirement would you let your kid go to the plate with no protection when she was 8u to 18u? Does your kid wear elbow pads or knee pads when playing and why? Do you think that college coaches feel it is weak if they do?
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by MarkJMillsap » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:47 pm

Blind Squirrel wrote:Any of the helmet advocates willing to directly answer the question I posed earlier? Having read about what happened to Kenzie, will you now require your child to wear head protection whenever they are in an unprotected dugout during a game? (now and in the future when kids don't always play in protected dugouts)

BTW, I agree that what happened to her was an anomaly. Is a kid getting in the face with a batted ball an anomaly? Obviously it is, assuming you know the meaning of the word.Simpleton Squirrel


a·nom·a·ly/əˈnäməlē/Noun
1. Something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.


Considering most have seen girls hit at one time or another, I would say it can be expected sooner or later. My daughter wouldn't sit in the dugout if wasn't protected.
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by slaphitter » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:57 pm

Trophy Hunter wrote:How many of you make your DD wear a crash helmet in the car on your way to a game?

If not, why not?

No. There are safety features build into the cars. One of the ways to avoid a subject where you know you are wrong is to divert attention away from that subject by asking questions that are not at all related to the orginal subject. A dd in a car has nothing what so ever to do with a girl not having a mask on while pitching or playing the corners. So in that regards your question is idiotic to say the least. Grow up and be a responible parent with your child's safety in mind instead of just your "opinion."
So let me ask you , What safety features are built into a girl playing the corners or pitching without a mask on. Does she have air bags??? No. Does she have seat beats??? No. See how unrelated your question on a child in a car is. It has no bearing on the face mask issue.
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by You don't say » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:03 pm

What safety features are built into a girl playing the corners or pitching without a mask on

I believe it is called a glove. :P
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