Shaved bats in HS play ??

[absdad]

Curious. How much did Bollinger pay on the claim you reference? What was the injury?

It's $18 policy for a year.

A girl broke her ankle sliding to bag. I know it was filed, and "something" was paid out. How much, what choice of dr's, treatment facility, etc, I have absolutely no idea. I was just a parent with a kid on the team at the time. I just know they paid "something". Could have been 6 figures, or could have been $5, a cookie, and a pat on the back.

[Tumblebug]

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

I've been around it half as long as you, and know people who have. So does my "fact" cancel out yours? I certainly don't think I know more. The point I was trying to make (and maybe not very well), is that you're making claims, stating them as fact, with nothing to corroborate. Several people have made comment of it. I'm not "doubting" your personal experience. But you throw your own personal experiences out as being the fact of the land.

Your 6 hit fielders example... in this day and age of texting, twitter, sensationalistic journalism, litigious greed, you honestly think that there is anyone left in this country who can't get information out to the masses? To me it sorta seems like you've got a chip on your shoulder, and an axe to grind. But hey, internet posts lack inflection, so maybe you're just a smartbutt with a dry sense of humor, or something other? It's just hard to tell.

Curious. How much did Bollinger pay on the claim you reference? What was the injury?

It's $18 policy for a year.

I remember one claim made in 2005 that I was involved in and it paid out $80,000 on a compound fracture of the tibia which paid for an ambulance ride, the emergency room, surgery, and after care. It was from an outfield collision with a team mate at practice. The father reached out to us for our insurance to cover what was not covered and it did cover some but it was not the right coverage for this sort of thing. Nobody is at fault in an "at risk" activity. He was still stuck with a sizable bill. It's not cheap.

[Tumblebug]

I'm just trying to look out for the safety of pitchers. You can call that a chip on my shoulder if you'd like. I don't want to see any of these young ladies hurt when we can easily avoid it....but the "hitters'" parents won't hear of any changes to dumb down the bats or the balls because it will force them to realize that their DD's actually don't hit very well.

Nothing wrong with your motive, I don't think anyone could argue with that. Player safety is very important. But you're a little misdirected if you ask me. You're blaming the hitters, and the bat manufacturers. As far as I know, the orgs came up with the bat standards on their own, is that correct? There would have to be evidence, factual mind you, backed up with legitimate numbers, not just a couple of isolated headlines in a small town newspaper, to show some kind of an upward trend to be a catalyst for reevaluating the current standards. The bat manufacturers make bats that people want, within the restrictions imposed on them. The consumers buy what they want to. And back on topic... if the bats are modified by some POS parent, then punish the kid, ban them, whatever. But that isn't the pitcher's fault, the bat manufacturer, or the ASA, or the PU.

The "orgs" do provide the regulations and they are indeed established based on data. The standards are being re-evaluated constantly. More data is being collected than ever before. For instance:

In the recent meeting in Indianapolis conducted by rules committees of both the NCAA and NFHS, a presentation was made in response to the question of performance of non-wood bats in regard to safety and the adoption of the new BBCOR certification test.

High school injuries are tracked for the NFHS by the Center for Injury Research and Policy at Ohio State University. Dr. Dawn Comstock heads up the 5 year old study and reports that baseball and softball are respectively listed as the 10th and 11th most dangerous high school sports but the addition of cheerleading in the study will soon make them 11th and 12th. Football, wrestling, soccer, basketball, field hockey, lacrosse, ice hockey, gymnastics, and volleyball all have higher rates of injury than baseball or softball.

When the Center for Injury Research and Policy tracks injuries, an injury is officially described as requiring the attention of an athletic trainer and it must restrict activity for at least one day of play. The report states that there are 1.6 injuries per 1,000 athlete exposures in both baseball and softball but that batted balls account for less than 2% of the injuries recorded. If my simplistic math is correct, that means there are 1.6 batted ball injuries in approximately every 50,000 athlete exposures. Now reduce that number by the number of injuries to just pitchers (batters hit and hurt themselves far more often that they hit and hurt pitchers) which is less than 10% or 1.6 in every 500,000 athlete exposures.

In her presentation, Dr. Comstock noted that the rate of injuries in the last three school years has dropped and she concluded by saying that the purpose of her study (which is shared with the various rules committees at the NFHS) is to allow each committee to make rules changes which are "data driven and not anecdotal or emotional."

That addresses safety issue directly but it doesn't address the cheating that occurs as suggested in the OP.

Note: Fiction, while sometimes based on actual experience is often fraught with anecdotal and emotional information, doesn't give you the information necessary to reference specific studies, actual research does.

[MTR]

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

I've signed off on three claims in the last five years and not one has been questioned or delayed in satisfaction.

[absdad]

I'm just trying to look out for the safety of pitchers. You can call that a chip on my shoulder if you'd like. I don't want to see any of these young ladies hurt when we can easily avoid it....but the "hitters'" parents won't hear of any changes to dumb down the bats or the balls because it will force them to realize that their DD's actually don't hit very well.

Nothing wrong with your motive, I don't think anyone could argue with that. Player safety is very important. But you're a little misdirected if you ask me. You're blaming the hitters, and the bat manufacturers. As far as I know, the orgs came up with the bat standards on their own, is that correct? There would have to be evidence, factual mind you, backed up with legitimate numbers, not just a couple of isolated headlines in a small town newspaper, to show some kind of an upward trend to be a catalyst for reevaluating the current standards. The bat manufacturers make bats that people want, within the restrictions imposed on them. The consumers buy what they want to. And back on topic... if the bats are modified by some POS parent, then punish the kid, ban them, whatever. But that isn't the pitcher's fault, the bat manufacturer, or the ASA, or the PU.

The "orgs" do provide the regulations and they are indeed established based on data. The standards are being re-evaluated constantly. More data is being collected than ever before. For instance:

In the recent meeting in Indianapolis conducted by rules committees of both the NCAA and NFHS, a presentation was made in response to the question of performance of non-wood bats in regard to safety and the adoption of the new BBCOR certification test.

High school injuries are tracked for the NFHS by the Center for Injury Research and Policy at Ohio State University. Dr. Dawn Comstock heads up the 5 year old study and reports that baseball and softball are respectively listed as the 10th and 11th most dangerous high school sports but the addition of cheerleading in the study will soon make them 11th and 12th. Football, wrestling, soccer, basketball, field hockey, lacrosse, ice hockey, gymnastics, and volleyball all have higher rates of injury than baseball or softball.

When the Center for Injury Research and Policy tracks injuries, an injury is officially described as requiring the attention of an athletic trainer and it must restrict activity for at least one day of play. The report states that there are 1.6 injuries per 1,000 athlete exposures in both baseball and softball but that batted balls account for less than 2% of the injuries recorded. If my simplistic math is correct, that means there are 1.6 batted ball injuries in approximately every 50,000 athlete exposures. Now reduce that number by the number of injuries to just pitchers (batters hit and hurt themselves far more often that they hit and hurt pitchers) which is less than 10% or 1.6 in every 500,000 athlete exposures.

In her presentation, Dr. Comstock noted that the rate of injuries in the last three school years has dropped and she concluded by saying that the purpose of her study (which is shared with the various rules committees at the NFHS) is to allow each committee to make rules changes which are "data driven and not anecdotal or emotional."

That addresses safety issue directly but it doesn't address the cheating that occurs as suggested in the OP.

Note: Fiction, while sometimes based on actual experience is often fraught with anecdotal and emotional information, doesn't give you the information necessary to reference specific studies, actual research does.

Cheese and Rice!

You don't jack around do you? Thank you for answering that question. Sorta like drinking from a fire hose.

[Tumblebug]

Cheese and Rice!

You don't jack around do you? Thank you for answering that question. Sorta like drinking from a fire hose.

This aint my hobby, it's my livelihood and sometimes my answers are a bit verbose. But the subject matter is important to me. I thought I was helping . . .

I could still make up something short and inaccurate if you like.

[MTR]

High school injuries are tracked for the NFHS by the Center for Injury Research and Policy at Ohio State University.
In her presentation, Dr. Comstock noted that the rate of injuries in the last three school years has dropped and she concluded by saying that the purpose of her study (which is shared with the various rules committees at the NFHS) is to allow each committee to make rules changes which are "data driven and not anecdotal or emotional."

Not saying this isn't so, but when NFHS introduced metal spikes/cleats to the softball game, Mary S. was specifically asked at the ASA National Convention if there was any data on safety lent to the decision. She said there was no data available and no specific reason as to why or why not to allow them.

In turn, at the annual coaches/umpires clinic required by the state NFHS, their chair was asked if there was any method or intent to establish a method to report injuries in softball. The answer was a flat "no".

Is it possible that reporting is set up demographically and data is actually only from sampling and not that of a complete scope of the sports in question?

[jofus]

Personally, I feel that allowing metal cleats is a bigger risk for more injuries than the current bats.

[absdad]

Cheese and Rice!

You don't jack around do you? Thank you for answering that question. Sorta like drinking from a fire hose.

This aint my hobby, it's my livelihood and sometimes my answers are a bit verbose. But the subject matter is important to me. I thought I was helping . . .

I could still make up something short and inaccurate if you like.

Heck no! Was just fine, more than expected. Yeah, I can sort of understand how you might have a dog in this hunt. Thanks again.

[Sam]

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

I've signed off on three claims in the last five years and not one has been questioned or delayed in satisfaction.

Hi Mike,

I'm not being combative or questioning what you are saying, but process-wize, how would you know what they paid or if they paid? In what capacity do you sign off on a claim?

Just wondering.