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by SnocatzDad » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:06 am

bucketboy wrote:I feel the pay to play will open the pandora's box in many areas such as:

We paid to play why is our son/daughter not playing?

The stud player's family can't afford it because of a job loss etc... well can anyone see that lawsuit coming?

Both of these arguments are true whether it's $150, $300 or $900 so I don't see any real change based on the amount changing. We pay $150 now and if I though my kid would not play I wouldn't pay that either, however I go into every season knowing that paying isn't a guarantee of playing time.

OK nobody wants to pay and the school is not going to field a team. Does that mean that they can go play at another high school that does have one? IPS just did away with some football programs at certain high schools and it was proposed that they be allowed to go play at another high school. Wonder what the IHSAA will have to say about that?

Our schools do allow kids to play for another school if the sport isn't offered at theirs. It isn't that big of a deal.

Finally what happens if a kid happens to be a 2 or 3 sport athlete. For that family I am thinking a private school may be even more of a viable option than ever before................


To me the real issue is that if the cost per team is 15K (and I don't dispute your math, I think it's right on) and many schools have 2-4 teams, in a tight economy how has it taken this long for someone to say we need to make value decisions about whether we need to sponsor 3 softball teams or one more math teacher. I think that kids get something out of HS sports, but I think the costs (starting with coaches salaries and transportation costs) are pretty far out of line with what is returned in most cases. If your local rec program said they were running a summer softball program and that the biology teacher (with no experience) from the HS was willing to run the team with his buddy if you could raise 7K to pay them to do so, no one would choose to do it. As long as someone else foots the bill the above scenario sounds feasible. There are some great, experienced and dedicated HS coaches out there, but there are also some miserable ones. IF there was a $1000 price tag on playing ball, you might find that it's a requirement that the HS provide a quality coach and a quality experience or no one will choose to participate.

IMO The EASIEST thing to do to reign in costs is to simply make transportation the reponsibility of the athlete. That cuts 30% of the non-value added cost out right away. Yes the team might have a few athletes that can't get transportation, but that's what car pools are for. It's such a waste when many of the families are driving to the games anyway shadowing the team bus (usually severely under capacity).
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by slapperdad » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:31 am

bucketboy wrote:I feel the pay to play will open the pandora's box in many areas such as:

We paid to play why is our son/daughter not playing?

The stud player's family can't afford it because of a job loss etc... well can anyone see that lawsuit coming?

OK nobody wants to pay and the school is not going to field a team. Does that mean that they can go play at another high school that does have one? IPS just did away with some football programs at certain high schools and it was proposed that they be allowed to go play at another high school. Wonder what the IHSAA will have to say about that?

Finally what happens if a kid happens to be a 2 or 3 sport athlete. For that family I am thinking a private school may be even more of a viable option than ever before................


I agree 100%, once this box is open, it's going to get ugly.

In my opinion, if I'm paying for my kid to play, particularly close to a grand, that's going to have some expectations attached, at least in my view. I'm paying a grand for my DD to play TB, and you can damn well believe I have expectations. Those expectations by the way have nothing to do with PT.

In regards to playing for another school if the sport is dropped at yours, at this point that's out of the question. That would require a change in IHSAA By-Laws. The BOD meeting is week 44 of the IHSAA calendar, early May. They have not posted their agenda yet, it's typically posted prior to the meeting. My guess is it will not be addressed from what I have heard. If you feel like it's something to be addressed contact your local principal, he/she's the only person who can get the ball rolling. You'll have to drag the folks on North Meridian kicking and screaming to get this changed.

Money should not stand in the way of kids playing high school sports in my opinion. When I see all the money that's spent at school corporations across the state on athletic palaces, it seems unfathomable to me, that a kid would not be allowed to play because his/her family can't raised X for them to play.

Another variable in this debate, with the entire state now being basically open enrollment, say for example my kid's a stud golfer, and a decent basketball and softball player. My home school drops golf, and we decide to transfer her to another school so she can play high school golf, will my home school sign off on the transfer, or be pissy because she could have helped the basketball and softball teams and not sign off and she loses a year of eligibility?

FYI, my DD currently buys just about everything they need to play what sports she plays. Shoes, spandex, knee pads, warm-ups, shooting shirts, team bags, etc. It was 200 bucks to play BB this winter.
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by coolstuff » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:32 am

SnocatzDad wrote:IMO The EASIEST thing to do to reign in costs is to simply make transportation the reponsibility of the athlete. That cuts 30% of the non-value added cost out right away. Yes the team might have a few athletes that can't get transportation, but that's what car pools are for. It's such a waste when many of the families are driving to the games anyway shadowing the team bus (usually severely under capacity).


I agree with this. Anytime DD's team (VB or SB) travels south, more often than not the bus drives RIGHT PAST OUR HOUSE and travels another 7+ miles to get to the school. So I get to drive right by my house and make the additional 15 mile round trip to pick up DD.
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by slapperdad » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:24 pm

coolstuff wrote:I agree with this. Anytime DD's team (VB or SB) travels south, more often than not the bus drives RIGHT PAST OUR HOUSE and travels another 7+ miles to get to the school. So I get to drive right by my house and make the additional 15 mile round trip to pick up DD.


Plus if she rides home with me, that gives me longer to chew on her and less time to cool off....
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by coolstuff » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:30 am

slapperdad wrote:
coolstuff wrote:I agree with this. Anytime DD's team (VB or SB) travels south, more often than not the bus drives RIGHT PAST OUR HOUSE and travels another 7+ miles to get to the school. So I get to drive right by my house and make the additional 15 mile round trip to pick up DD.


Plus if she rides home with me, that gives me longer to chew on her and less time to cool off....
BRILLIANT!


I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut on the ride home - or the ride from the park to the hotel.
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by coolstuff » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:42 am

At last night's school board meeting, the Tippecanoe School Corporation which includes Harrison and McCutcheon high schools made public their preliminary list of budget cuts. Everything they listed is "on the table" and the final cut list has not been determined. According to the Lafayette Journal and Courier, the list includes "reducing the number of paid extracurricular and coaching positions available at the middle school and high school levels. Both Harrison and McCutcheon high school have already been asked to cut $25,000 from extracurricular spending."

Other cuts include eliminating foreign languages and arts at the middle school and elementary school level, teacher layoffs, reducing summer school and teacher extended contracts, and suspending an early college program where the school corp. pays tuition for students who take college courses during their senior year (my oldest takes advantage of that).

And the cuts may be permanent. The school super made a comment that this is "the new normal." One of the city school corps are going to see if a tax referendum flies, and if it does, the other school corps will likely enter their own tax referendums.
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