Shame on you PGF!!!

[NumeroUno]

I'm the one in blue not white

[PDad]

Agree, and in that sense they should just remove the rule, and do away with restrictions on player movement.

They need to restrict player movement to keep players from helping multiple teams qualify. Otherwise, the qualifiers wouldn't have any integrity. You'd have some organizations using the same players to get all their teams qualified. Or, better yet, hired guns renting themselves out to help teams qualify.

They need to at least freeze players on rosters when they qualify.

But if they're going to have a rule that restricts player movement (or any rule for that matter) then it should be enforced uniformly.

I agree and hopefully it is.

[Battle]

What's stopping you? PGF doesn't have a published rule against pick-up players moving down to their age group after playing up like ASA does.

Are you sure about that?

[Trophy Hunter]

ok.....I like that "let the kids play" idea!!!

Can we pick up an 18 gold pitcher who is done for the year as their team did not qualify for PGF, to play on our 16u team at PGF?

She is a great kid, 16U age eligible, great family, and she would have a great time!

C'mon. Let the kids play!

What's stopping you? PGF doesn't have a published rule against pick-up players moving down to their age group after playing up like ASA does.

Someone posted July 18 was the roster deadline, but it is TBD on the rules page...

This is on the Rules... page

Players who compete in a qualifying tournament at any age group may not be added to a team in a younger age group. Players on an invited team are unrestricted within their age group or an older age group until the TBD, roster deadline

Only players on invited teams are unrestricted for age. Which is interesting since they never even play PGF until the August tournament. Unless it means only invited teams can pick up players who played in higher age groups... presumably since their rosters were never frozen at a qualifier. Great for the invited teams, if that's the case, and not so great for teams who had to play for their berths. Strange rule in any case, IMO.

[Trophy Hunter]

ok.....I like that "let the kids play" idea!!!

Can we pick up an 18 gold pitcher who is done for the year as their team did not qualify for PGF, to play on our 16u team at PGF?

She is a great kid, 16U age eligible, great family, and she would have a great time!

C'mon. Let the kids play!

Great example...we could pick up a few great players from our 18's as well, and would probably do even better at the tournament because of that..

Then you would have to change your name to Cal Lite

And still not win.

[ontheblack]

- Who is right in these scenarios is impossible to determine.

maybe talking to the coach/manager would be a good start? If it was handled the way the poster said it went down,there is a serious problem?

The story is skewed from his perspective, partially correct but skewed. none of this happened last minute and his team did not "qualify" but received an at large berth. IMHO they shouldnt even be going at all. They had a chance to qualify and couldnt get it done. It wasnt one bad inning or anything like that either. they were just outplayed.

An at large berth? What were the circumstances?

[PDad]

... Can we pick up an 18 gold pitcher who is done for the year as their team did not qualify for PGF, to play on our 16u team at PGF? ...

What's stopping you? PGF doesn't have a published rule against pick-up players moving down to their age group after playing up like ASA does. ...

This is on the Rules... page

Players who compete in a qualifying tournament at any age group may not be added to a team in a younger age group.

I was looking at the rules under the National Championship (http://premiergirlsfastpitch.com/rules_regulations.php). The portion you quoted is under the heading for qualifying tournaments and should be in the next section for National Tournaments. It does appear to apply to teams that qualified though.

Players on an invited team are unrestricted within their age group or an older age group until the TBD, roster deadline.

Only players on invited teams are unrestricted for age. Which is interesting since they never even play PGF until the August tournament. Unless it means only invited teams can pick up players who played in higher age groups... presumably since their rosters were never frozen at a qualifier. Great for the invited teams, if that's the case, and not so great for teams who had to play for their berths. Strange rule in any case, IMO.

I think you misinterpreted this portion. Players on an invited team are free to switch teams and can go to any team within that age group or older.

The roster and eligibility rules should be presented in a more clear manner. That one paragraph should be broken down into several.

[PDad]

- Who is right in these scenarios is impossible to determine.

maybe talking to the coach/manager would be a good start? If it was handled the way the poster said it went down,there is a serious problem?

The story is skewed from his perspective, partially correct but skewed. none of this happened last minute and his team did not "qualify" but received an at large berth. IMHO they shouldnt even be going at all. They had a chance to qualify and couldnt get it done. It wasnt one bad inning or anything like that either. they were just outplayed.

An at large berth? What were the circumstances?

Xtreme finished 4th in the AZ 12u qualifier and it only had 2 berths. All 3 of the teams that finished above them are going too.

[ontheblack]

- Who is right in these scenarios is impossible to determine.

maybe talking to the coach/manager would be a good start? If it was handled the way the poster said it went down,there is a serious problem?

The story is skewed from his perspective, partially correct but skewed. none of this happened last minute and his team did not "qualify" but received an at large berth. IMHO they shouldnt even be going at all. They had a chance to qualify and couldnt get it done. It wasnt one bad inning or anything like that either. they were just outplayed.

An at large berth? What were the circumstances?

Xtreme finished 4th in the AZ 12u qualifier and it only had 2 berths. All 3 of the teams that finished above them are going too.

did they get the berth because they were the host?

[PDad]

- Who is right in these scenarios is impossible to determine.

maybe talking to the coach/manager would be a good start? If it was handled the way the poster said it went down,there is a serious problem?

The story is skewed from his perspective, partially correct but skewed. none of this happened last minute and his team did not "qualify" but received an at large berth. IMHO they shouldnt even be going at all. They had a chance to qualify and couldnt get it done. It wasnt one bad inning or anything like that either. they were just outplayed.

An at large berth? What were the circumstances?

Xtreme finished 4th in the AZ 12u qualifier and it only had 2 berths. All 3 of the teams that finished above them are going too.

did they get the berth because they were the host?

No, AZ Hotshots were the host. Looks like the 3rd and 4th place teams got at-large berths when the next few 12u qualifiers were canceled.