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by ocbxball » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:02 pm

wadeintothem wrote:My main burning question I have is why, if this is such an all important issue all of sudden (college players) has this issue not even made it out of the JO committee for a vote?

The representation was made that those not involved were holding it back.. but apparently, it never even made it to the floor for a vote by the ASA.

Representations of ASA are made in this thread, by a lot of people who dont know how ASA works, but the reality there is a very democratic type process in ASA for handling issues.

If you guys couldnt even get it out of your own JO FP Committee, how is that "ASA"s fault? Thats your people on that committee.

Maybe this college issue wasnt the big deal previously that its being made out to be...



Chuck,

I am pretty sure Gary and most other Gold coaches "know how ASA works" and that is part of their frustration!!
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by NumeroUno » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 pm

ya but they use a baby ball
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by PDad » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:43 pm

NumeroUno wrote:14U ASA nationals fences were set at 225' this year, explain that :roll:

They were obviously set by a pitcher's dad! :lol:

190 seems too short for colleges. I say make the hitters earn their HRs and the OF'rs cover some ground. The race between baserunners going around the bases and an outfielder chasing the ball and getting it back in is one of the most exciting plays in the game.
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by ssarge » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:57 pm

So UCLA is 190 down the rails


I know what the sign says. But it is more like about 175 down the LF line. MAYBE.


The issue - for me - with the 220' fence at Gold Nationals is not the distance. It does seem odd to play at 220 when the WCWS was 190. Especially since all of the college games were played in the Stadium, where the wind is ALWAYS blowing out to LF. And the Gold National games were played at all 4 fields, including Wilson, where the wind is blowing decidedly IN. Makes the delta considerably more than 30 feet on at least one of the fields.

And of course, the college ball is also more lively (400 compression rather than 375).


My issue isn't even that the fence distance at Gold Nationals was determined not by any judgment of what is appropriate for the level of play, but rather because it was a lot of work - and cost some money - to move the fences in after the World Cup, and ASA didn't want to go to the trouble / expense.


My issue is that it changes the game from what was played all summer in qualifying.

No one qualifies for Nationals by swimming the 100 meter butterfly, then arrives at Nationals to find the distance is now 110 meters.


If 220 is deemed an appropriate distance for the level of play, if it is agreed that Gold players should have longer fences than ANY D1 college in America, fine, no problem. But make it consistent all summer.

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by ocbxball » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:10 pm

My issue isn't even that the fence distance at Gold Nationals was determined not by any judgment of what is appropriate for the level of play, but rather because it was a lot of work - and cost some money - to move the fences in after the World Cup, and ASA didn't want to go to the trouble / expense.


Exactly!!! And without appropriate notification!!
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by wadeintothem » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:27 pm

ssarge wrote:

My issue isn't even that the fence distance at Gold Nationals was determined not by any judgment of what is appropriate for the level of play, but rather because it was a lot of work - and cost some money - to move the fences in after the World Cup, and ASA didn't want to go to the trouble / expense.



Then why was it the same at 14u?
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by ocbxball » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:34 pm

ummmmmmm....for the same reason???
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by wadeintothem » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:45 pm

no, they arent having the world cup in georgia :D They set those fences up just for nats..
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by ocbxball » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:00 am

Might be THE point...they set it up for ONE purpose...and didn't want to make ANY adjustments...or at least without notification!!
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by ssarge » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:23 am

Then why was it the same at 14u?


You're missing my point. No one knows why ASA makes any of these loopy decisions. There is no communication, and that is what is frustrating.

But, as I said in my post, the distance - and the reasons that caused it - is NOT MY issue.

Again:

The issue - for me - with the 220' fence at Gold Nationals is not the distance.


My issue isn't even that the fence distance at Gold Nationals was determined not by any judgment of what is appropriate for the level of play, but rather because it was a lot of work - and cost some money - to move the fences in after the World Cup, and ASA didn't want to go to the trouble / expense.



My issue IS that it changes the game from what was played all summer in qualifying.

No one qualifies for Nationals by swimming the 100 meter butterfly, then arrives at Nationals to find the distance is now 110 meters.




You aren't getting this Wade. It's not about fence distances, or whether college freshman play, or any other single issue. It is an aggregation of things which create a synergy that for many, has become intolerable.

You've gone from rejecting the viable possibility of an alternative to ASA, something you ridiculed repeatedly a week ago, even as people who are fully aware of the alternative being offered - and fully involved in making decisions on whether their team will participate - told you it was real. As it became absolutely obvious that those people were right - and you were wrong - you have reluctantly accepted reality, but began to ridicule or criticize the REASONS for their actions. Fine, we all have a learning curve, and I don't mean that pejoratively. But the point you are missing is that the reasons almost don't matter from anyone's perspective other than those coaching or participating on Gold teams. To many within THAT set of people, these are real issues. Marginalizing the issues, or telling people they are unimportant (or shouldn't be issues important to them) is absolutely what has caused the schism in the first place. They may be unimportant to you and others, they obviously are unimportant from the perspective of ASA (or they just don't care). But they AREN'T unimportant to the people who now have a choice. They are not unimportant to ASA's constituency, and so I would submit they SHOULDN'T be unimportant to ASA.


If you spoke privately to the people who are considering (and will continue to) where to play next August, about the first thing out of their mouth would be that the arrogance of ASA is just galling. That is not a universal indictment of everyone in ASA leadership. But it is reflective of how many people view ASA as a whole. I don't think it is an overstatement to say that the way you have reluctantly come up to speed on this issue is relective of that. I am sure you don't view yourself as an arrogant person, and frankly, I concur - you're not. But an antecedent opinion that ASA has it right and there can not possibly be a viable alternative - so shut up and quit whining - is EXACTLY what many in the Gold community find irritating. And feel they have received as an answer far too often.
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