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[wadeintothem]

Wade -

Who is to say that Keilani would even come back next year. You are putting way to much emphasis on Keilani even playing. Wade, keep spouting all your anti-Gary venom. You are coming across as if you are truly worried about how this will affect ASA and you are right - you can and should be worried. Time will tell as to how the PGF procedes from here. The PGF could last only one year or it could be the place to go for years to come. Just because there will be invited teams that so far have been all top organizations for years in ASA, doesn't mean that the entire tournament is invited. There will be qualifiers across the country for the final 24-32 teams this year. I am sure that Gary and Co. are doing everything they can so as to not make this a GOB or just a So Cal tourney. My team is not invited as of yet but would always want to go where the best competition is - and so far it looks like PGF will have the best teams no matter what you say. There is no doubt that ASA will still draw some very good teams but top to bottom will not be what is was this year and in years past.

This is not anti gary venom. There is an alternate view point of this situation. I feel there is a real need to express it. Its not fall in line with Gary or its considered venom.

Lets say you are correct,(you arent) I was deathly worried ASA would collapse and Gary is going to ascend to the softball throne.. how would that matter in the big picture? Because, ASA is not going to collapse and Gary is not going to take the place as the national governator of softball, ok? Thats Rhetoric and Gary Messiah mumbo jumbo.

Best of luck to you Wade - by the way, were you the umpire that got hit in the head in the Stockton Gold Qualifer this year? Hope not.

No I wasnt but he is fine... (besides hes about 25 years older than me btw)

Best of luck to you too!

[Blind Squirrel]

"Definately a hit on OKC in 2010, especially if they were to allow a certain college player to return to play. But if you arent playing them with their ace, are you playing the best gold team... really?"

If you win in OKC but most of the best gold teams in the nation are playing in HB, are you the best team in the nation?

"Their" ace? Won't she in reality be a Sooner and not a Sorcerer next summer? "Their" ace ... really?

[CheckWriter]

Bottom line (from a dumb parent's perspective):

18G is a zit on the ASA landscape and does it does not bother them too much one way or another. Many people have been trying for years to convince the nice and accommodating folks (that are not boogie men) at ASA to please implement some changes that the coaches strongly feel will be for the best for the girls and families. It has fallen on deaf ears.

Now, god forbid, someone actually got off his a$$ and is going to make a sincere effort to try to change it for, what he believes, is to the benefit of the girls that work harder than anyone to participate in this sport.

I think he should be vilified forever.

JMHO

[ocbxball]

This kinda reminds me of the whole Olympic situation. ISF...in it's comfort and arrogance...let the vote for Softball inclusion slip away...they scurried and scampered after the fact to try and save face...without success!! ASA in their comfort and arrogance ignored the Gold program and now are scurrying and scampering to try and save face....time will tell what this result will be??

[Gary Haning]

Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.

[ocbxball]

WOW WADE....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

Unless YOU are the Messiah!!

[MTR]

This kinda reminds me of the whole Olympic situation. ISF...in it's comfort and arrogance...let the vote for Softball inclusion slip away...they scurried and scampered after the fact to try and save face...without success!! ASA in their comfort and arrogance ignored the Gold program and now are scurrying and scampering to try and save face....time will tell what this result will be??

Obviously, you are clueless, but that doesn't surprise me.

[MTR]

Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.

They must have different methods of teaching reading comprehension in CA.

There was no "arguing", just an alternative opinion offered on an open message board.

Apparently, Mr. Haning and minions take offense to anyone voicing an opinion that doesn't suit them. Great country, America! Freedom of speech is alive and well as long as you fall in line and voice it as a group. Where is Frank Burns when you need him?

The only thing Wade screwed up is he doesn't know Minnesota from Missouri, the Show Me State.

Whether anyone likes it or not, this is a showcase being run for the sole purpose of providing HS players a platform to display their softball skills. There is no way to honestly avoid that fact.

If it was truly to provide the BEST softball, it would include the BEST youth ball participants, not just those in HS.

There was a mention of the 18U Gold being overrun by college players. IMO, that would provide some absolutely great softball being played by what are most likely the better 17-18yo in the country. That is a helluva enticement for those who truly love and enjoy the game to head to OKC.

And the non-college players who can hang with those teams will probably not only get noticed, but have a leg up when arriving on campus since they just competed to win with the best. They should thank this tournament for providing them with this unique and profitable situation.

Of course, this is JMHO. Good luck with your tournament.

[wadeintothem]

You know, when i'm wrong in a thread I am always willing to admit it.

And it is in fact the Missouri!

Doh! Thanks MTR!

And the non-college players who can hang with those teams will probably not only get noticed, but have a leg up when arriving on campus since they just competed to win with the best. They should thank this tournament for providing them with this unique and profitable situation.

Of course, this is JMHO. Good luck with your tournament.

You did forget one thing, its a little easier for the 14's playing up to now compete. That is a very big deal in so cal.

[wadeintothem]

Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.

No one but your flock has degraded any officials Gary, perhaps you could reread the thread? I apologize that you expect 100% of the people to jump on board, but that pretty rarely happens. There are allowed to be alternate POVs. Its almost odd that you get soo offended by the fact someone would dare question your opinion.

Relax a little Gary, its a message board.

Did you truly expect to come onto the internet and everyone just fall in line?