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[NORCALGOLD]

ORDER OF FINISH GOLD NATIONALS OKC
01.) Sorcerer Gold (Phil) 7-0 Vallejo, CA --------- - PREIMER GIRLS FASTPITCH
02.) Gold Coast Hurricanes Gold 10-2 Plantation, FL ---- -PGF
03.) Worth Firecrackers 5-2 Hunington Beach, CA --- ---PGF
04.) So Cal Athletics 6-2 Upland, CA ---- ------PGF
05.) Team North Florida 4-2 Wewahitchka,FL
05.) NW Bullets Gold 4-2 Tualatin, OR
07.) CA Cruisers 4-2 Mission Viejo, CA ---- -- -PGF
07.) Jersey Intensity 4-2 Farmingdale, NJ ---- -- -PGF
09.) So Cal Pumas 4-2 Ventura, CA ---- -- -PGF
09.) Wagners Gold 4-2 Arnold, MD
09.) AZ Desert Thunder 5-2 Tucson, AZ
09.) Valley Breeze 5-2 Granada Hills, CA ----- -- -PGF
13.) Texas Glory – Shelton 3-2 McKinney, TX ----- -- -PGF
13.) Arizona Hotshots 4-2 Scottsdale, AZ ------- -PGF
13.) Nebraska Gold 4-2 Omaha, NE
13.) Georgia Elite 4-2 ----- -- -PGF
17.) East Cobb Bullets 2-2 Kennesaw, GA ------- -PGF
17.) So Cal Choppers 2-2 Valencia, CA ----- ---PGF
17.) Alabama Crusaders 2-2 McCalla, AL
17.) Texas Impact Gold 2-2 Houston, TX ------- - PGF
17.) Atlanta Vipers-Vallery 2-2 Newnan, GA
ect..ect...ect...
That list speaks volumes more than anything I've seen or heard on this board.Wade it looks like the past ASA teams disagree with most everything you bring up,their exodus from OKC speaks loud and clear. You are in a minority and if you can't see the writing on the wall as to why ASA let it get to this point you are beyond reason.
Good Luck with OKC it seem alot of great people and teams won't be joining you so shut the lights off when you leave.

[jmo]

Sorry, Gary. It MAY be a good tourney, but its a show case. The intent of this tournament is to show your HS players to colleges. thats the design. There is nothing to be a champion of. Big and glorious (ala Fireworks) does not make it a championship.

You don't think that teams will show up with the intent on winning a tournament? Sadly mistaken.

There is no organization or structure to even be champion of. Its just Gary and a few friends, and what, an office in your garage and a fax machine from Office Depot? Come on Gary! Your officials will come from another org who trained and prepared them. You and a few others will get together and make up some rules and put on a show case event displaying hs players to college coaches and their free passes. You've invited your friends and dismissed others, the list goes on and on. I'm know its in your interest to sell it as more than it is, but it still is what it is. Shamrocks didnt even qualify gold and others who did qualify are not getting an invite? What formula did you use for that. This is a buddy league gary.

Shamrocks have qualified for 22 out of 23 years (I could be mistaken but I believe this was the first time they did not qualify in the last 23 years). You don't think that they would qualify as a top team or draw the respect of other organizations? Obviously there are teams that have not been invited as of yet... and it looks to me and from what I have been told that Gary and all the other coaches that are on this committee are making sure to include top teams from throughout the country to make sure that this is not just a SO CAL tournament.

This is a so cal tourney with so cal officials filled with so cal teams and some other teams coming in with the intent to display before colleges.
A la .. a show case.

You say you'll have good umps, but how do you know?
They cant be any worse than the so called ASA umpires at Nationals

You have no mechanism for evaluating, training, and placing umpires. You have no criteria. Will you be counting on your local ASA assinger who does your showcases?

How did the umpire named Bruce from BVAL get placed at ASA nationals as an umpire. He is one of the worst I have ever seen and I have seen him at Stockton and OKC so even by your assessment of training,evaluating and placing umpires, it still doesn't work


I dont see why you are offended by this term, anyway. You'll have some darn fine teams - but I doubt you will have the best team. The best team will win in OKC. I can even lay odds on which returning 2010 college freshman player will be leading that team, likely to a title... (presuming college players are allowed there).

Sorcerers are committed to attending PGF and after talking with them after they won the championship this year in the airport, it is my understanding that they do not have any plans at this time on defending their title in OKC

Whats to keep a team from going to a Gary's Qualification tournies with "their A team" and qualifying and sending the B team to your tournament for displaying before the colleges? You have no structure, code, roster control, board, team control, or anything else- let alone a national structure to enforce it coast to coast. How can you prove/disprove homeschooling? To be claiming a national championship is frankly, almost arrogant Gary.

As time passes and the PGF gains even more momentum, ASA Nationals will be like winning Triple Crown or AFA. Not to say that there won't be good teams at ASA Nationals, but if you want to go where the best teams are, it will be PGF.

I actually like this tourney more today! Now knowing the orgs are preparing a team to make a run at the championship in OKC and another to come to your showcase display before the colleges. maybe thats beneficial. there are many teams looking for something to do late july/early august.

Love to hear which organizations are putting together two teams and which ones are going to send their second best to PGF. I doubt any top organization will send a second tier team to PGF to play against the best teams in the nation. You're right Wade, everyone will want to go to OKC in 100 degree weather and spend 9 days playing 5-6 games against the second best teams in the nation just so they can call themselves National Champs. If that is what they are looking to do, then they could have been attending AFA, USSSA and all the others already.

I think its even good. Especially if they send unsigned HS players there, that could be very beneficial for those players and I hope it helps some of them get the scholarships they deserve!


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All that said, I STILL agree changes are needed. I'm on the fence personally about the college players, I've heard the real intent of so cal is to be able to qualify even more teams and flood the market more by squeezing out more east coach teems - I do agree about the time / length of stay issue. The fence issues and other talking points are carry little weight IMO, but i do agree in general - for example, with shortening the fences.

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[wonderdog24]

9 California teams n counting

ORDER OF FINISH GOLD NATIONALS OKC
01.) Sorcerer Gold (Phil) 7-0 Vallejo, CA --------- - PREIMER GIRLS FASTPITCH
02.) Gold Coast Hurricanes Gold 10-2 Plantation, FL ---- -PGF
03.) Worth Firecrackers 5-2 Hunington Beach, CA --- ---PGF
04.) So Cal Athletics 6-2 Upland, CA ---- ------PGF
05.) Team North Florida 4-2 Wewahitchka,FL
05.) NW Bullets Gold 4-2 Tualatin, OR
07.) CA Cruisers 4-2 Mission Viejo, CA ---- -- -PGF
07.) Jersey Intensity 4-2 Farmingdale, NJ ---- -- -PGF
09.) So Cal Pumas 4-2 Ventura, CA ---- -- -PGF
09.) Wagners Gold 4-2 Arnold, MD
09.) AZ Desert Thunder 5-2 Tucson, AZ
09.) Valley Breeze 5-2 Granada Hills, CA ----- -- -PGF
13.) Texas Glory – Shelton 3-2 McKinney, TX ----- -- -PGF
13.) Arizona Hotshots 4-2 Scottsdale, AZ ------- -PGF
13.) Nebraska Gold 4-2 Omaha, NE
13.) Georgia Elite 4-2 ----- -- -PGF
17.) East Cobb Bullets 2-2 Kennesaw, GA ------- -PGF
17.) So Cal Choppers 2-2 Valencia, CA ----- ---PGF
17.) Alabama Crusaders 2-2 McCalla, AL
17.) Texas Impact Gold 2-2 Houston, TX ------- - PGF
17.) Atlanta Vipers-Vallery 2-2 Newnan, GA
ect..ect...ect...
That list speaks volumes more than anything I've seen or heard on this board.Wade it looks like the past ASA teams disagree with most everything you bring up,their exodus from OKC speaks loud and clear. You are in a minority and if you can't see the writing on the wall as to why ASA let it get to this point you are beyond reason.
Good Luck with OKC it seem alot of great people and teams won't be joining you so shut the lights off when you leave.

[anonlooker]

9 California teams n counting

Your point? Weak. Your counting ability? Impressive!

Were you not invited? Have you contacted Premier to determine why not? Or do you just like showing off your mad math skills?

[wadeintothem]

You don't think that teams will show up with the intent on winning a tournament? Sadly mistaken.

I dunno - according to sam they dont care, they just want scholarships.

Shamrocks have qualified for 22 out of 23 years (I could be mistaken but I believe this was the first time they did not qualify in the last 23 years). You don't think that they would qualify as a top team or draw the respect of other organizations? Obviously there are teams that have not been invited as of yet... and it looks to me and from what I have been told that Gary and all the other coaches that are on this committee are making sure to include top teams from throughout the country to make sure that this is not just a SO CAL tournament.

Really? Theres no published criteria for selection. No system, no structure. Just some guys on conference call deciding who gets the nod and who will win the tshirts stored in gary's garage. Lucky for the friends of Gary I suppose. But thats not a national championship.

How did the umpire named Bruce from BVAL get placed at ASA nationals as an umpire. He is one of the worst I have ever seen and I have seen him at Stockton and OKC so even by your assessment of training,evaluating and placing umpires, it still doesn't work

Apparently the opinion of those forming up this tourney is any umpire will due and they all suck anyway... so apparently a non issue for the Gary Tourney. I had thought it was. My bad!

Sorcerers are committed to attending PGF and after talking with them after they won the championship this year in the airport, it is my understanding that they do not have any plans at this time on defending their title in OKC

Definately a hit on OKC in 2010, especially if they were to allow a certain college player to return to play. But if you arent playing them with their ace, are you playing the best gold team... really?

As time passes and the PGF gains even more momentum, ASA Nationals will be like winning Triple Crown or AFA. Not to say that there won't be good teams at ASA Nationals, but if you want to go where the best teams are, it will be PGF.

Gary Messiah mumbo jumo. I'm like minnosota.. show me. If that EVER happens, I'll post a video of me eating my dirty underwear right on Utube.

Thats not to say that I dont think ASA could make some improvements... and I do believe they WILL make improvements.

Love to hear which organizations are putting together two teams and which ones are going to send their second best to PGF. I doubt any top organization will send a second tier team to PGF to play against the best teams in the nation. You're right Wade, everyone will want to go to OKC in 100 degree weather and spend 9 days playing 5-6 games against the second best teams in the nation just so they can call themselves National Champs. If that is what they are looking to do, then they could have been attending AFA, USSSA and all the others already.

Winning in OKC is THE National Champion. You may place a personal asterisk on a hey bucket thread, but that doesnt mean anything. Already the best possible gold team will NOT be in socal, and thats the team that won the championship this year. The team name will be there... but not the whole championship team.

Two girls talking, one will know who won the championship in the stadium of OKC and one will know who had to stay home and play on the same field she plays on every other weekend.. the asterisk wont be there..

[watcher]

9 California teams n counting

ORDER OF FINISH GOLD NATIONALS OKC
01.) Sorcerer Gold (Phil) 7-0 Vallejo, CA --------- - PREIMER GIRLS FASTPITCH
02.) Gold Coast Hurricanes Gold 10-2 Plantation, FL ---- -PGF
03.) Worth Firecrackers 5-2 Hunington Beach, CA --- ---PGF
04.) So Cal Athletics 6-2 Upland, CA ---- ------PGF
05.) Team North Florida 4-2 Wewahitchka,FL
05.) NW Bullets Gold 4-2 Tualatin, OR
07.) CA Cruisers 4-2 Mission Viejo, CA ---- -- -PGF
07.) Jersey Intensity 4-2 Farmingdale, NJ ---- -- -PGF
09.) So Cal Pumas 4-2 Ventura, CA ---- -- -PGF
09.) Wagners Gold 4-2 Arnold, MD
09.) AZ Desert Thunder 5-2 Tucson, AZ
09.) Valley Breeze 5-2 Granada Hills, CA ----- -- -PGF
13.) Texas Glory – Shelton 3-2 McKinney, TX ----- -- -PGF
13.) Arizona Hotshots 4-2 Scottsdale, AZ ------- -PGF
13.) Nebraska Gold 4-2 Omaha, NE
13.) Georgia Elite 4-2 ----- -- -PGF
17.) East Cobb Bullets 2-2 Kennesaw, GA ------- -PGF
17.) So Cal Choppers 2-2 Valencia, CA ----- ---PGF
17.) Alabama Crusaders 2-2 McCalla, AL
17.) Texas Impact Gold 2-2 Houston, TX ------- - PGF
17.) Atlanta Vipers-Vallery 2-2 Newnan, GA
ect..ect...ect...
That list speaks volumes more than anything I've seen or heard on this board.Wade it looks like the past ASA teams disagree with most everything you bring up,their exodus from OKC speaks loud and clear. You are in a minority and if you can't see the writing on the wall as to why ASA let it get to this point you are beyond reason.
Good Luck with OKC it seem alot of great people and teams won't be joining you so shut the lights off when you leave.

I'm thinking 9 or the top 17 is a good start, Do you know as fact that the other 8 have not recieved an invite? I would think Gold in OKC next year could be a two day Tourney.

[anonlooker]

I'm thinking 9 or the top 17 is a good start, Do you know as fact that the other 8 have not recieved an invite? I would think Gold in OKC next year could be a two day Tourney.

But ASA will take 9 days to play it!

[jmo]

Wade -

Who is to say that Keilani would even come back next year. You are putting way to much emphasis on Keilani even playing. Wade, keep spouting all your anti-Gary venom. You are coming across as if you are truly worried about how this will affect ASA and you are right - you can and should be worried. Time will tell as to how the PGF procedes from here. The PGF could last only one year or it could be the place to go for years to come. Just because there will be invited teams that so far have been all top organizations for years in ASA, doesn't mean that the entire tournament is invited. There will be qualifiers across the country for the final 24-32 teams this year. I am sure that Gary and Co. are doing everything they can so as to not make this a GOB or just a So Cal tourney. My team is not invited as of yet but would always want to go where the best competition is - and so far it looks like PGF will have the best teams no matter what you say. There is no doubt that ASA will still draw some very good teams but top to bottom will not be what is was this year and in years past.

Best of luck to you Wade - by the way, were you the umpire that got hit in the head in the Stockton Gold Qualifer this year? Hope not.

[KPC]

I like the overall idea, but I hate the invites.

Norcal shockers have qualified for Gold nationals 2 out of the past 3 years, and they are new. They will probably NOT get an invite. But some of the other bigger organizations up here have not qualified in the past 2 years, but they likely will get an invite. Im not lobbying for Shockers, but nobody up here, including myself would have punched their ticket for Gold nationals, yet they punched their own and got in.


This is exactly why I like to stay in 14u. In 14u the best teams will play each other on Sunday. not in the olders. Exposure tourneys are a good ol boy network in many ways. And I hate them. i understand in the first year or 2 thngs will be done one way and in a few years things could change, but I still hate anything to do with someone just assigning who is in.

i just hate seeing teams get in based upon who they are and not what they have done in the current year. Can you name some teams that will make it every year? Sure, but there are always those that surprise people, both those that do make it, and those that dont make it.

[KPC]

This will not put the best of the best from an area. Many independent or small organizations will be left out. In many areas, the best teams in an age group are private teams not just someone that says they are because they have some big organization with 3 teams in an age group. There is no way invites will be the true best teams because of small independent teams being the team to beat in certain areas. Good ole boy network at its best. Not saying most of the list is not correct, but there is no way to really do it by invites. At least with ASA there is structure. ASA has work to be done but it is usually at least played on the field as who is best of best.