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by Tumblebug » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:43 pm

RT4ever wrote:Mr. Anderson, can you talk to us about the Hall-Petch Effect and how it will relate to the NanoTek?


Oh c'mon RT, now your just trying to stump me . . . well you're gonna have to try harder . . .

You’re talking about the relationship between material strength and crystallite (grain) size. Generally the material strength goes up as the grain size gets smaller. There is certainly Hall-Petch strengthening effect involved with the NanoTek Material and we are at it's limit.

A simple fallacy that should be addressed for clarity is that “nano” is some sort of product or process when in fact it is a simple measurement of size. The size is one billionth of a scale measurement. You could have a nano-inch which would be one billionth of an inch, a nano-foot which would be one billionth of a foot but the most common, and in our case, is a nanometer or one billionth of a meter. To give you an idea of the scale we are dealing with, the size of atoms are measured in nanometers. A normal metallic atom has an estimated radius of .140 nanometers; so a Nanometer is about 4 atoms across.

Nano works for Anderson in the sense that the nano-technology we are referring to in our product is that the grain size of our nano-metal is measured in nanometers (1 X 10^12 meters). The grain size in the nano-metal is between 5 and 10 nanometers. This means our grain size is between 20-40 atoms across. The grain size in heat-treated steels or hard aluminum alloys is 10,000 times larger than the grain size in the Nano-metal.

Due to the way that grains interface each other, this size is so small that the grains lose the meaning of being individual grains. However, it is important to still think of them as individual grains, as the collection of their grain boundaries is what gives the material its exceptional hardness.
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by KekambuS » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:47 pm

Tumblebug wrote:
RT4ever wrote:Mr. Anderson, can you talk to us about the Hall-Petch Effect and how it will relate to the NanoTek?


Oh c'mon RT, now your just trying to stump me . . . well you're gonna have to try harder . . .

You’re talking about the relationship between material strength and crystallite (grain) size. Generally the material strength goes up as the grain size gets smaller. There is certainly Hall-Petch effect involved with the NanoTek Material.

A simple fallacy that should be addressed for clarity is that “nano” is some sort of product or process when in fact it is a simple measurement of size. The size is one billionth of a scale measurement. You could have a nano-inch which would be one billionth of an inch, a nano-foot which would be one billionth of a foot but the most common, and in our case, is a nanometer or one billionth of a meter. To give you an idea of the scale we are dealing with, the size of atoms are measured in nanometers. A normal metallic atom has an estimated radius of .140 nanometers; so a Nanometer is about 4 atoms across.

Nano works for Anderson in the sense that the nano-technology we are referring to in our product is that the grain size of our nano-metal is measured in nanometers (1 X 10-12 meters). The grain size in the nano-metal is between 5 and 10 nanometers. This means our grain size is between 20-40 atoms across. The grain size in heat-treated steels or hard aluminum alloys is 10,000 times larger than the grain size in the Nano-metal.

Due to the way that grains interface each other, this size is so small that the grains lose the meaning of being individual grains. However, it is important to still think of them as individual grains, as the collection of their grain boundaries is what gives the material its exceptional hardness.

Thanks but can you say that in english. :lol: :lol: I think I learned something???? I am so confused. RT did you get that?????
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by RT4ever » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:17 pm

Wow. That went all over my head LOL. I think what you basically said was that

THE NANOTEK WILL BE THE GREATEST BAT EVER!!!
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by KekambuS » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:22 pm

RT4ever wrote:Wow. That went all over my head LOL. I think what you basically said was that

THE NANOTEK WILL BE THE GREATEST BAT EVER!!!

Why didnt he just say that. Man my head almost EXPLODED.
OK RT4ever no more questions like that.
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by RT4ever » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:27 pm

LOL sorry, I wasn't trying to stump anyone, nor was I trying to sound like a know-it-all.

The only reason I asked about the "Hall-Petch Effect" was because it was mentioned on the NanoTek page at the Anderson site. I had no idea what it meant, really, so I just wanted some clarification :)
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by Tumblebug » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:44 pm

RT4ever wrote:LOL sorry, I wasn't trying to stump anyone, nor was I trying to sound like a know-it-all.

The only reason I asked about the "Hall-Petch Effect" was because it was mentioned on the NanoTek page at the Anderson site. I had no idea what it meant, really, so I just wanted some clarification :)


RT, here you go. this link is to a paper from the materials department at UC Davis. it's pretty understandable:

http://www.matsci.ucdavis.edu/MatSciLT/ ... lPetch.pdf
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by RT4ever » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:47 pm

Tumblebug wrote:
RT4ever wrote:LOL sorry, I wasn't trying to stump anyone, nor was I trying to sound like a know-it-all.

The only reason I asked about the "Hall-Petch Effect" was because it was mentioned on the NanoTek page at the Anderson site. I had no idea what it meant, really, so I just wanted some clarification :)


RT, here you go. this link is to a paper from the materials department at UC Davis. it's pretty understandable:

http://www.matsci.ucdavis.edu/MatSciLT/ ... lPetch.pdf


Thank you! I actually read this yesterday. Good stuff here!
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by Blades356mm » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:43 am

Umm I've read almost every post here but I might have missed one or two so I'll say sorry if you already addressed these questions about the Nano-tech...

All questions are about the fastpitch model:

Balanced or Endloaded or both?

~Price point?

Drops? -09 oz? -10oz? -12oz?

~Release date?

When ASA does it's testing on exit speed, do you guys get the results in numbers (mph) or just a pass/fail?

Would you be willing to share Anderson's product numbers (ie. Rocktech, Pyrotech, Techzilla)?

Do all the bat companies see all the numbers or just your own products?

Does the Nano-tech 'clock' out at 98 mph (no break in so might as well top it out) or do you guys leave a bit of 'wiggle' room and shoot for 96 or 97mph?

Thanks, I truly am a fan of your stuff and will continue to have my daughter use it and spread the word about it...
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by Tumblebug » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:47 pm

Blades356mm wrote:Umm I've read almost every post here but I might have missed one or two so I'll say sorry if you already addressed these questions about the Nano-tech...

All questions are about the fastpitch model:

Balanced or Endloaded or both?

~Price point?

Drops? -09 oz? -10oz? -12oz?

~Release date?

When ASA does it's testing on exit speed, do you guys get the results in numbers (mph) or just a pass/fail?

Would you be willing to share Anderson's product numbers (ie. Rocktech, Pyrotech, Techzilla)?

Do all the bat companies see all the numbers or just your own products?

Does the Nano-tech 'clock' out at 98 mph (no break in so might as well top it out) or do you guys leave a bit of 'wiggle' room and shoot for 96 or 97mph?

Thanks, I truly am a fan of your stuff and will continue to have my daughter use it and spread the word about it...


The NanoTek FP is still on the drawing board so none of the answers are etched in stone yet but I can give you a characterization. This technology will evolve into a series of bats that will eventually span the spectrum of what you are asking but the first one out will be something of a “hit the highlights” model.

The overall weight and balance of this series are the numbers I am working on as we speak and we had a huge internal argument about the overall weight of the first model we release. I’m leaning toward a -10 but there are others here that are fighting internally for a lighter model. I’m thinking of evolving the line on the even numbers such as a -8, -10, and -12. I’d love to hear your opinions.

The weight distribution of the bat, balanced or end loaded, in the initial model will be determined by the desired overall weight, the most advantageous MOI and the most reactive barrel within the rules. This product is being designed as a game improvement tool and therefore the numbers will be determined by maximum performance within the rules.

The price is not my department but I can’t imagine that it won’t have a commensurate positioning in the market as our NanoTek XS baseball model, whatever price that may mean.

We are looking to release this model at the end of the Q1 of beginning of Q2 of 2010 but it has not seen any field testing yet.

ASA gives us each quantitative test results for the BBS test but never that of a competitor. The organizing bodies (ASA and such) and the test labs are contractually sworn to secrecy. No one ever publishes them and I wouldn’t look for that to change any time soon. No one in the industry wants advertising to become about a difference in certification testing that cannot be accurately correlated to field results. We do independent testing on all of our competitors and you would be surprised at the results of some of the most popular models. The results are not what you would think.

Our products are engineered with a 1% tolerance to allow for manufacturing variation if we miss some specific tolerances it is possible that the product will not pass testing, but we are pretty darn good when it comes to quality control.

I hope that answers the questions, I hope you understand how tough a tiome in the process it is to give anything concrete.
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by cleanup77 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:04 am

Someone asked about the paint chipping on their Anderson Bat-We had the same problem and called Anderson,they sent us a BRAND NEW bat-which was great,except we sent a 2008,and they sent back a 2009.
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