Sam wrote:Hit&Run wrote:Sam wrote:jonriv wrote:Sam wrote:Sunshine799 wrote:This is sad.... No means no!
Too drunk to consent is no!
Not sure means no!
Before the act or during the act. No is no!
We need to educated our Daughters as to the dangers that are on campus. But more importantly our sons. This is an epidemic problem. I was expecting more advocacy for the rights of these young women. But I guess you'd all rather brag about batting averages and pitch speed. More of an outcry for August tryouts than women being told to shut up and take it by Campus PD, Administrators and Coaches. Oh wait...let's send all our Daughters to school with a .38...Brilliant.
You are correct. It is always the man's fault.
So Sam it's always the woman's fault???? I guess no fraternity has ever abused anyone,??? News flash- girls SAMs coached will never have overuse issues, but if a guy assaults her she's on her own
A). I am always right.
B). I never said that it is always the girl's fault.
I do get tired of the " no means no" crowd, especially when you see how these girls act, dress, and behave.......as if that has nothing to do with it. Nobody is criticizing the victim....but they need to be held accountable for their actions the same way the men have to be held accountable for theirs.
Any questions?
Good call.... When a girl wears provocative clothing and is flirtatious she deserves to be held down and penetrated by a running back..... Thats a great way to hold them accountable....
One word.... Stupid... I can't believe you even wrote this.
You said they deserved it, not me. I am saying that they can't willingly pu themselves in situation like this by dressing like whores, drinking like sailors, and acting like sluts.....and expect that men aren't going to treat them in accordance with their actions. They need to show some semblance of intelligence. If they choose not to act like ladies, it's difficult to feel sorry for them when the men don't act like gentlemen.
You apparently believe that these girls get to act with impunity. That point of view is naive and stupid.
You said these girls need to be "held accountable for their actions". What exactly does that mean? I am a believer that yes they can dress like whores, yes they drink like sailors, yes they can act like sluts and no men don't have the right to rape them even if its "in accordance to their actions".
Now define dress like a whore? Is it stilettos, mini skirts, low cut tops, daisy dukes, stretchy pants, or fish nets? Isn't that subjective. And do the NUMBERS??? NUMBERS??? Show that these items cause rape? Should they be sold with Warning Labels.
Drink like a sailor? Does this mean having a few shots at a bar/club, s a few pints at the game, some mixed drinks, or beer bonging at a frat party till you pass out? I didn't hear anything about the girls in the video being drunk whores? Or drug abusers getting raped by unknown assailants? What do the NUMBERS say? Is alcohol the leading reason why women get raped? Or is it average girls being manipulated by a predator who is seeking some sort of power or display if forcefulness over a woman? You ever see football players at a softball game. Are those girls asking for it? Cause thats where it starts.
Act like a Slut? Winking. a smirk, bending over, playing hard/easy to get, giving out her number, saying yes to a date, going to a room with a boy, laying on her back with her legs spread, and can any of these thing me misinterpreted since this is also very subjective?
Treated in accordance to their actions? I would love to hear this one...
In my opinion the majority of these Rape, assault, misconduct issues aren't due to any of the above things and its not done by a stranger in most cases. It's not testosterone or adrenaline. It's physiological. It's not in the mind of the rapee. It's in the mind of the rapist. It is there right now. There are several young males walking around college campus with a thought process that they have the right, the power, and the means to overpower a woman. Which has nothing to do with clothing, alcohol, how a woman acts, or if he is in a target rich environment. There are many cases for husband raping wives. Did they ask for it? I am sorry for being an ass but it happened to my sister. Yes she drank, yes she dressed to go out and meet guys, yes she went to a room, but for some reason the scratches on her face, the bruises on her body, and the blood dripping from her nose said to me that it wasn't consensual. She liked him. He was popular. She was ashamed of her self for all the reasons above. BS. No one asks for it. He wasn't wearing a sign? There wasn't clues? She didn't know.