Fork and Beans

[PDad]

Hey can you all believe how bad the Cowboys are. that D has more holes than swiss cheese
Cowboys fans should either lynch Jerry Jones or never root for them again!

Will Denver win The Super bowl?
Peyton Manning is the lynchpin - they have a good shot as long as he's playing.

Who is going to win the title in college football, I really thought Ohio st had a chance until Michigan st slapped them around
I knew tOSU wouldn't win the title. I thought 'Bama was going to do it - they should lynch Saban for calling the last-second FG.

Hey #1, your post seemed off-topic until I thought about it some more...

[Dugout Dad]

This is how disagreements between the umpire and player get resolved in baseball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM16afDRbPM

[PDad]

This is how disagreements between the umpire and player get resolved in baseball

If it were a real game, Crash would have been tossed the first time he bumped the ump.

CAUTION - lots of cussing - here's a real one with legendary Earl Weaver
http://youtu.be/kl-4FSRYagc

[fastpitchdad05]

The pitchfork crew can claim there is no lynch mob if they like, but it is all in the thread.

People suggesting, and some actually following through with calling college coaches to get scholarships impacted. Actually calling the wrong coach about the wrong kid.

Giving out the coaches place of work, with the clear suggestion to call his employer and get him fired.

Saying it is the same as murder (Oj Simpson reference) assault (Rodney King reference). Claiming that it was assault, when for all practical purposes real officials would likely have passed on it as mutual as they did in the incident from last year.

Stating that the GA case shows how bad this was, until you realize that everyone moved forward from the GA case just fine.

Reality is that umpire is very well protected. Risk of injury was elevated so slight, far less than getting in his car and driving home after the game.

Then you wander why no one is going to listen to you.

Well I don't qualify for any of the references above.

AI, I like and respect you, but you are not impartial here and so I have a very hard time not disqualifying your opinion. I want to believe you'd have the same opinion if you weren't so close to the situation, but I just don't.

There are a lot of people on here speaking with impartiality, but in this case my friend, you are not one of them.

I'm not asking for a lynching, but I am asking that something be done, because quite frankly there's just no way to spin it, this was just wrong and has no place in our softball society.

[anonlooker]

Hey can you all believe how bad the Cowboys are. that D has more holes than swiss cheese
Cowboys fans should either lynch Jerry Jones or never root for them again!

Will Denver win The Super bowl?
Peyton Manning is the lynchpin - they have a good shot as long as he's playing.

Who is going to win the title in college football, I really thought Ohio st had a chance until Michigan st slapped them around
I knew tOSU wouldn't win the title. I thought 'Bama was going to do it - they should lynch Saban for calling the last-second FG.

Hey #1, your post seemed off-topic until I thought about it some more...

Time to cue up the Top Ten David Lynch movies:

1. Blue Velvet
2. Wild At Heart
3. Eraserhead
4. Mulholland Drive
5. Elephant Man
6. Lost Highway
7. Firewalk With Me
8. Twin Peaks Pilot
9. Dune
10. The Straight Story

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[Sam]

So what "message" is being sent by physically attacking this man? Why does he have to use a 17 year old girl to send this "message?" He couldn't even go to this umpire's face and talk to him?

I already mentioned the numerous ways to handle this situation. This guy is not a rookie.

There is no way that this guy should be allowed to coach again. He's dangerous to these young ladies. He is teaching them that they can also send messages in life....slash a tire.....key a car.....graffiti a wall....take your pick.

There is no lynch mob. Nobody is stating that he should be arrested (I'm not saying he shouldn't be either). Many players look up to their coaches and learn from their behavior. Some of them may have been laughing after this incident...joking about it....and learning that their coach advocates these actions.....and he coaches one of the most successful teams in history. Nice message to send, eh?

If you truly believe that he conspired to cause injury to the umpire, then you should want him to be arrested. Why wouldn't you want him arrested?

I absolutely agree that the man should be censured...and he clearly is being censured. There were about a thousand more appropriate ways for him to convey his message to the umpire, including pulling his team from the field if he believed that the umpire was creating an unacceptable risk of injury to his pitcher (a legitimate point raised by jtat earlier in this thread). So by all means, call the guy out on it. But saying that he shouldn't be "allowed" to coach again is going to far, IMO.

Whether the coach is "dangerous to these young ladies" is for the parents of said young ladies to determine. I know you think the game is meaningless, particularly in relation to the life lessons and character issues in play--and I absolutely agree with you on that score--but the fact is that the game is not meaningless to the girls, parents, and coaches involved. They care intensely about it, and that intensity often leads to lapses of reason in the moment. That doesn't mean that everything (or even anything else) that the coach does is bad or harmful to the girls. Let the man learn his lesson from this and move on.

Skarp,

I love ya buddy, but nobody has told what the message was.

This was not a mistake. It was a planned move by a respected guy with a lot of years under his belt. Censure does nothing but sweep the incident under the rug. The Cruisers should dismiss him and the other respectable orgs should blackball him. What he did was unthinkable.

These kids may think the game means something but this guy KNOWS it is meaningless and so should the parents.

In the end, all he had to do was meet with his pitcher and wait for the umpire to come out to the circle. At that time he would engage the umpire and likely be tossed. That teaches the kids to stand up for themselves if they believe they are being wronged. Hitting the guy says you are too scared to face the umpire.....that's the message.

[Dugout Dad]

This is how disagreements between the umpire and player get resolved in baseball

If it were a real game, Crash would have been tossed the first time he bumped the ump.

pdad, you are such a joykill



Btw, that Weaver bit is classic....

[Skarp]

Who exactly attacked you personally? If you're referring to my very first comment about "people like you" I was referring to those "people like you" who want to downplay this incident and all but sweep it under the carpet.

The Return of Skarp...highly overrated. And we waited so long for it to come out.

Ladies and germs...I submit to you the one (and probably only) time you will see Master Skarp come anywhere near an admission to being wrong.
Yes, believe it or not, that is exactly what this is/was.
It's good to see you grow.

Gotcha.
Damn. That was easy. You're slippin', dude!

"The great and powerful Skarp has spoken!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..."

Perhaps it's just my massive ego clouding my analysis, but these comments seem directed at me personally, rather than the content of my posts.

[Dugout Dad]

In the end, all he had to do was meet with his pitcher and wait for the umpire to come out to the circle. At that time he would engage the umpire and likely be tossed. That teaches the kids to stand up for themselves if they believe they are being wronged. Hitting the guy says you are too scared to face the umpire.....that's the message.

Absolutely agree with you, IF the umpire is squeezing the team, the coach needs to stand up to him and argue the zone (the coach will always lose) and if he tosses the coach, the blue becomes the acting party and the bad guy. Once the blue is empowered by throwing out the coach, I would bet his strike zone opens up a bit. I think most of us have been tossed at one time or another, in my experience is it always energizes the team. It also builds trust between the players and the coach, showing he has their back. Simple psychology.