Its Not Just The 2nd Amendment at Risk

[Dugout Dad]

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/52488-jon-stewart-our-president-learns-about-scandals-by-watching-the-news-absurd/

There is an awakening happening in America (five years too late)
- Jon Stewart going after O, funny stuff


Did you see this - How did America become so stupid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EIvUXQTm3KY

[jonriv]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

[Dugout Dad]

Jay Carney, David Axelrod, Barry Obama and, now, Eric Holder have all admitted that they do not know what is going on in their administration unless they read it in the newspaper.

And we’re expected to trust these idiots with out national security?

From what they’re saying, if we were invaded, they wouldn’t find out until some staffer showed them the newspaper over their morning coffee.

So, if I get up at 5am and get my paper directly from the paperboy, I will know more about national issues before the president does?

Yeah. Smartest President ever my azz.

[Tyler Durden]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

[jonriv]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

Makes me miss "Firing Line" with William F Buckley. He would get very smart people from both sides of the political aisle and they would have a rational debate- sometimes tehre would be agreement and sometimes they would agree to disagree. There are valid ideas and thoughts out there from all sides- we just need to listen more.

[Dugout Dad]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

Yes, how I miss the years of restraint......

[jonriv]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

Yes, how I miss the years of restraint......

I don't let my kids get away with "They started it" and I certainly expect more from my politicians. Acting like them makes you as bad as them

[Dugout Dad]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

Yes, how I miss the years of restraint......

I don't let my kids get away with "They started it" and I certainly expect more from my politicians. Acting like them makes you as bad as them

If we were to use bumper stickers as a measure, I hardly see any anti-O stickers on cars compared to the many brutal anti-Bush stickers during the Bush presidency. In fact, many of my friends didn't put a pro-Romney sticker on their cars during the election for fear of getting their cars keyed or vandalized - here in CA, it would have been futile anyways.

[as the world turns]

Of the three things- I think the IRS has the most legs. Press is all up in arms about the AP(as they should be) but people relate better to the IRS issue and I think it frightens them more

What I think the press is finally understanding is the "Chicago Politics" influence in Washington. That every thing is viewed from the perspective of political leverage. If there was direct invovlment or not by the White House, they have nutured the culture that allowed(if not condoned) it to happen

My hope is that we(the Republicans) let it play out and don't overplay our hand. The less Political the republicans are on this the worse the administration will look and the more support they will lose.

Agreed. I don't affiliate with any individual 'party' due to my divergent personal beliefs on the myriad issues, but you are correct. Unfortunately for your party, it seems inevitable that they will overplay their hand. Again. They seem incapable of exercising restraint when the end-results would be far superior to what they get when they get hysterical. I don't get it. Very smart people with many valid positions, but they often seem to derail into derision and personal attacks, which tends to undermine their credibility. This Pub Board on HB has some examples of that. You can't help but realize that the same 6-8 posters feed off of each other in a frenzy of anti-Dem discussions. Are their points valid? Of course they often are. Are they sometimes illogical and extreme? Yes. God Bless the First Amendment. But, what I often wonder as I read The Pub, is, are some of the posters here capable of reasonable discourse with others who have different views of the world? Are they aware that no one posts rebuttal to their statements? Do they wonder why that is? I assure you it isn't because everyone agrees with them. I suspect that it is because most HB members simply don't read the Pub threads, or because most have concluded that reasonable discourse isn't an option here. Which IMO is too bad.

Yes, how I miss the years of restraint......

Progressive Tolerance is a one-way street.

[Pale Rider]

And you want me to give my only true form of protection up?
Just like in the UK?
WARNING GRAPHIC...Not for kids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6d_-_Bp-BbU