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by as the world turns » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:24 am

Baller wrote:As a Jr. High Math teacher, I can tell you a vast majority of students are not ready for Algebra. I understand the college implications, but truthfully many are not ready and end up taking it again in 9th grade anyway. It depends on the child. My dd is a 7th grader taking Algebra, but she is a straight A gate student. If you have a student who struggles in math but works hard, it may work out. Otherwise, you create an culture where many students hate math.

What is wrong with the students or schools if the vast majority are not ready? Our schools are well funded, so don't tell me it is about the lack of funds.
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by softball_parent » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:44 pm

The reason they are not ready is because for most the brain is not developed enough to understand the abstact thinking required for algebra. If you read up on Piaget who was one of the leading child development theorists in cognitive development he talked about how a child develops the cognitive thought process. Previously no students took Algebra until high school. As a professional who works with children as well as teaches at the college level I tell parents to have their child repeat Algebra as a freshman even if they got an A in it in the 8th grade. To have the 3 or 4 years required for college if they start in Geometry as a freshman then many have to take Calculus to meet the college requirement. Many are not able to understand math at that level now or most going to need it for their major.
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by Dugout Dad » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:49 pm

softball_parent wrote:The reason they are not ready is because for most the brain is not developed enough to understand the abstact thinking required for algebra. If you read up on Piaget who was one of the leading child development theorists in cognitive development he talked about how a child develops the cognitive thought process. Previously no students took Algebra until high school. As a professional who works with children as well as teaches at the college level I tell parents to have their child repeat Algebra as a freshman even if they got an A in it in the 8th grade. To have the 3 or 4 years required for college if they start in Geometry as a freshman then many have to take Calculus to meet the college requirement. Many are not able to understand math at that level now or most going to need it for their major.

Absolutely agree, this was the case for my DD. She took it in 8th grade and did well and had the option of taking Geometry her freshman year but decided to take Algebra again. She really got a solid foundation in Algebra which prepared her well for Geometry, Algebra II, Calculus and the SAT. I feel that taking it in 8th grade certainly helps students in HS.
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by CoachJaimie » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:16 pm

I am politically conservative and a Junior High math teacher. Teach those children who are ready but don't force the students who are not ready. We have kids who still don't know their multiplication tables. A teacher cannot force a student to memorize these or a parent to make sure they do so. We have some fabulous students and we have some OTHERS. The problem is the education system doesn't want to hold kids back because of a variety of reasons, some legit some not.
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by ontheblack » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:01 am

Dugout Dad wrote:
softball_parent wrote:The reason they are not ready is because for most the brain is not developed enough to understand the abstact thinking required for algebra. If you read up on Piaget who was one of the leading child development theorists in cognitive development he talked about how a child develops the cognitive thought process. Previously no students took Algebra until high school. As a professional who works with children as well as teaches at the college level I tell parents to have their child repeat Algebra as a freshman even if they got an A in it in the 8th grade. To have the 3 or 4 years required for college if they start in Geometry as a freshman then many have to take Calculus to meet the college requirement. Many are not able to understand math at that level now or most going to need it for their major.

Absolutely agree, this was the case for my DD. She took it in 8th grade and did well and had the option of taking Geometry her freshman year but decided to take Algebra again. She really got a solid foundation in Algebra which prepared her well for Geometry, Algebra II, Calculus and the SAT. I feel that taking it in 8th grade certainly helps students in HS.


Same her. Kid took it in 8th grade and did fine. A college math professor friend told her to take it again as a freshman. Turned out to be a smart move.
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by PDad » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:34 pm

softball_parent wrote:The reason they are not ready is because for most the brain is not developed enough to understand the abstact thinking required for algebra. If you read up on Piaget who was one of the leading child development theorists in cognitive development he talked about how a child develops the cognitive thought process. Previously no students took Algebra until high school. As a professional who works with children as well as teaches at the college level I tell parents to have their child repeat Algebra as a freshman even if they got an A in it in the 8th grade. To have the 3 or 4 years required for college if they start in Geometry as a freshman then many have to take Calculus to meet the college requirement. Many are not able to understand math at that level now or most going to need it for their major.

One-size-fits-all recommendations aren't always valid because it really boils down to the aptitude of the individual students and whether they're prepared or not.

- Forty years ago, we had 4-5 freshmen in our honors Geometry class for the first time at our HS and they were top math students for all 3 years we were together.

- Some of the local public schools in my area are doing such a good job with advanced students that some 8th graders are taking geometry at the high school.

- Our district only allows freshmen to skip Algebra I if they pass a readiness test and get a recommendation from their MS teacher. Both my kids passed the test, but only my DD got the recommendation to skip Algebra I. It worked out for both of them.

- Calculus isn't necessarily the only option as a senior - our HS also offers AP Statistics.

On a similar note, students that are eligible to get college credit by passing an AP test should seriously consider still taking the class at college if their major requires them to take an additional year of the subject and they didn't get a high passing score on the AP test.
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by Baller » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:30 pm

softball_parent wrote:The reason they are not ready is because for most the brain is not developed enough to understand the abstact thinking required for algebra. If you read up on Piaget who was one of the leading child development theorists in cognitive development he talked about how a child develops the cognitive thought process. Previously no students took Algebra until high school. As a professional who works with children as well as teaches at the college level I tell parents to have their child repeat Algebra as a freshman even if they got an A in it in the 8th grade. To have the 3 or 4 years required for college if they start in Geometry as a freshman then many have to take Calculus to meet the college requirement. Many are not able to understand math at that level now or most going to need it for their major.


Couldn't have said it better myself. As to some of the other questions here, parent involvement plays a huge role. Unfortunately, some parents simply do not value education. The way it looks now my dd will take Calculus in her Jr. year. Calculus was one of the most difficult classes I ever took. Since she will take Geometry in 8th grade, it will be Alg. 2 in 9th, Pre-Cal in 10th, Calc. 11th & AP Statistics 12th. The bottom line is all students are different, and in 8th grade many are not mentally developed enough for Alg. I am a math teacher, and the highest level I took in HS was Alg. 2.
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by Pale Rider » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:59 am

In todays world, with all the money being hurled in the name of education...Upper math should be the least of your worries...In the last Chicagostan Teacher Union Strike (Pres. of Union is a card carrying Socialist btw)...The 4th grader reading avgs were like 15%...and they want BIG raises?...
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by GIMNEPIWO » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:47 pm

Someone may have said this earlier and I read over it ... But I heard on the radio this am on the way home from the gym and daydreaming ... That the US was 17th ( or 37th? :oops: ) in the world behind developed countries in math ...
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