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[hit4power]

At what point do you see that what man does has any effect on his environment ? Where is the line ?
1.) You have 5 nice shade trees in your yard, you cut down one ... Is your yard warmer ? You cut down two, is your yard warmer ? 3 ? 4? 5 ? More than half of the worlds forests weren't needed ?
2.) Companies spew what ever pollutants they want into the air you breathe ? One fracking company pours unregulated toxic waste into the ground ? ... 2 do it ? 3 ? You're entire county is taken over and your neighbors tap water ignites ? Your tap water ignites ?
3.) The river where you fish and eat fish from ... One company upstream is dumping crap in it ... Then 2 do it ? 3 ? They all do it ? At what point to you stop eating the fish ?

Not to pick sides in this discussion but just to point out a few facts, which sadly, seem to be lacking in most of these debates.

1) Forests - I can't say whether forests are "needed" or not. I can say, that at times in the geologic past, not much of the earth, if any, was forested. Depending on the configuration of the continents, ocean currents, etc we have had arid conditions over most of the planet that did not support forests. Life adapted to these conditions as it always has. People, who aren't geoscientists, tend to underestimate the wide range of climate and ecology that has existed in the past and will in the future. BTW - equally true is the statement that there have been more periods of time in earth's past when there were no ice sheets at the poles than when there were ice sheets.
2) Fracking - my pet peeve since I work in the business. Assuming this was a reference to the Gasland movie, pls take time to watch the movie FrackNation. It was funded through an independent effort (Kickstart) and takes a much more objective look at fracking than Gasland did. BTW - nobody's water catches on fire due to fracking and it is not accurate to say that the small amount of chemicals involved are unregulated.

[NewCoach]

Even the Obama EPA has not been able to produce any evidence that fracking is hazardous enough to warrant ending the practice. Amazes me that the Greens push for NG fuels, but resist effiecient harvesting of the product.

[jonriv]

Even the Obama EPA has not been able to produce any evidence that fracking is hazardous enough to warrant ending the practice. Amazes me that the Greens push for NG fuels, but resist effiecient harvesting of the product.

Because it's mainstream. Can't fight the "machine" if the machine is with you. Same reason they don't like the idea that Walmart is the largest seller of organic products.

[Dugout Dad]

Could G man be the "black widow environmentalist"? Sorry, pay back, pal

[Dugout Dad]

Its sorta of strange why the media wants to name these storms...I think I know why...but its freaking winter, its what it does...and why if you live where winter occurs...**it happens...

It was the Weather Channel......
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/02/09/182543/weather-channel-finding-nemo-is.html

[GIMNEPIWO]

Could G man be the "black widow environmentalist"? Sorry, pay back, pal

You got me ... I deserved it ...

[GIMNEPIWO]

At what point do you see that what man does has any effect on his environment ? Where is the line ?
1.) You have 5 nice shade trees in your yard, you cut down one ... Is your yard warmer ? You cut down two, is your yard warmer ? 3 ? 4? 5 ? More than half of the worlds forests weren't needed ?
2.) Companies spew what ever pollutants they want into the air you breathe ? One fracking company pours unregulated toxic waste into the ground ? ... 2 do it ? 3 ? You're entire county is taken over and your neighbors tap water ignites ? Your tap water ignites ?
3.) The river where you fish and eat fish from ... One company upstream is dumping crap in it ... Then 2 do it ? 3 ? They all do it ? At what point to you stop eating the fish ?

Not to pick sides in this discussion but just to point out a few facts, which sadly, seem to be lacking in most of these debates.

1) Forests - I can't say whether forests are "needed" or not. I can say, that at times in the geologic past, not much of the earth, if any, was forested. Depending on the configuration of the continents, ocean currents, etc we have had arid conditions over most of the planet that did not support forests. Life adapted to these conditions as it always has. People, who aren't geoscientists, tend to underestimate the wide range of climate and ecology that has existed in the past and will in the future. BTW - equally true is the statement that there have been more periods of time in earth's past when there were no ice sheets at the poles than when there were ice sheets.
2) Fracking - my pet peeve since I work in the business. Assuming this was a reference to the Gasland movie, pls take time to watch the movie FrackNation. It was funded through an independent effort (Kickstart) and takes a much more objective look at fracking than Gasland did. BTW - nobody's water catches on fire due to fracking and it is not accurate to say that the small amount of chemicals involved are unregulated.

Never saw the movie ... But I do read & observe ... Allowing gas companies to pump unregulated chemicals & high pressure water into the earth to fracture the rock and make the gas 'slippery' , then extract the gas and return more chemicals into the earth ...reaping outrageous profits without any government regulation ... And then bitching about why your tap water is polluted or flammable ... Alrighty then, lets let big business tell us what is good for us ...

[jonriv]

At what point do you see that what man does has any effect on his environment ? Where is the line ?
1.) You have 5 nice shade trees in your yard, you cut down one ... Is your yard warmer ? You cut down two, is your yard warmer ? 3 ? 4? 5 ? More than half of the worlds forests weren't needed ?
2.) Companies spew what ever pollutants they want into the air you breathe ? One fracking company pours unregulated toxic waste into the ground ? ... 2 do it ? 3 ? You're entire county is taken over and your neighbors tap water ignites ? Your tap water ignites ?
3.) The river where you fish and eat fish from ... One company upstream is dumping crap in it ... Then 2 do it ? 3 ? They all do it ? At what point to you stop eating the fish ?

Not to pick sides in this discussion but just to point out a few facts, which sadly, seem to be lacking in most of these debates.

1) Forests - I can't say whether forests are "needed" or not. I can say, that at times in the geologic past, not much of the earth, if any, was forested. Depending on the configuration of the continents, ocean currents, etc we have had arid conditions over most of the planet that did not support forests. Life adapted to these conditions as it always has. People, who aren't geoscientists, tend to underestimate the wide range of climate and ecology that has existed in the past and will in the future. BTW - equally true is the statement that there have been more periods of time in earth's past when there were no ice sheets at the poles than when there were ice sheets.
2) Fracking - my pet peeve since I work in the business. Assuming this was a reference to the Gasland movie, pls take time to watch the movie FrackNation. It was funded through an independent effort (Kickstart) and takes a much more objective look at fracking than Gasland did. BTW - nobody's water catches on fire due to fracking and it is not accurate to say that the small amount of chemicals involved are unregulated.

Never saw the movie ... But I do read & observe ... Allowing gas companies to pump unregulated chemicals & high pressure water into the earth to fracture the rock and make the gas 'slippery' , then extract the gas and return more chemicals into the earth ...reaping outrageous profits without any government regulation ... And then bitching about why your tap water is polluted or flammable ... Alrighty then, lets let big business tell us what is good for us ...

But there is regulations and industry standards????

[DonnieS]

[Never saw the movie ... But I do read & observe ... Allowing gas companies to pump unregulated chemicals & high pressure water into the earth to fracture the rock and make the gas 'slippery' , then extract the gas and return more chemicals into the earth ...reaping outrageous profits without any government regulation ... And then bitching about why your tap water is polluted or flammable ... Alrighty then, lets let big business tell us what is good for us ...

I read and have people all around me that are working in this very thing - like is said, there are regulations - there are companies working round the clock to make this safer and cleaner and they are improving these processes - just like the work in other parts of the energy industry. And this is not coming from business reports - this is coming from family members, friends , who are on the front line of this business. Al Gore's news networks and his close friends Al Jazeera, my guess is there are very few things he understands , other than politics and lying , is that is who is putting out this crap. I read about the home owner - I think its north east of dallas , had some situation where he could ignite what is coming out of his tap, kind of like the Cuyahoga river out of Cleveland. People in my family have property right in the middle of the fracking area and have tons of wells. Water out of those wells - have always been supherish - but drinkable - before all the fracking work started - and now after 4-5 years of close by work - still is the same, I drink it - like I did 50 years ago, by letting the water run abit if it hasn't been run in a while and then I pour me a glass. Sensationalist reporting , back in more honest time , yellow journalist report, can take one instance of something bad and make it sound like every home in Texas is dealing with this and like most of the reporting from the worthless liberal media, is trash, and is and has been and will be ... ignored.

[GIMNEPIWO]

At what point do you see that what man does has any effect on his environment ? Where is the line ?
1.) You have 5 nice shade trees in your yard, you cut down one ... Is your yard warmer ? You cut down two, is your yard warmer ? 3 ? 4? 5 ? More than half of the worlds forests weren't needed ?
2.) Companies spew what ever pollutants they want into the air you breathe ? One fracking company pours unregulated toxic waste into the ground ? ... 2 do it ? 3 ? You're entire county is taken over and your neighbors tap water ignites ? Your tap water ignites ?
3.) The river where you fish and eat fish from ... One company upstream is dumping crap in it ... Then 2 do it ? 3 ? They all do it ? At what point to you stop eating the fish ?

Not to pick sides in this discussion but just to point out a few facts, which sadly, seem to be lacking in most of these debates.

1) Forests - I can't say whether forests are "needed" or not. I can say, that at times in the geologic past, not much of the earth, if any, was forested. Depending on the configuration of the continents, ocean currents, etc we have had arid conditions over most of the planet that did not support forests. Life adapted to these conditions as it always has. People, who aren't geoscientists, tend to underestimate the wide range of climate and ecology that has existed in the past and will in the future. BTW - equally true is the statement that there have been more periods of time in earth's past when there were no ice sheets at the poles than when there were ice sheets.
2) Fracking - my pet peeve since I work in the business. Assuming this was a reference to the Gasland movie, pls take time to watch the movie FrackNation. It was funded through an independent effort (Kickstart) and takes a much more objective look at fracking than Gasland did. BTW - nobody's water catches on fire due to fracking and it is not accurate to say that the small amount of chemicals involved are unregulated.

Never saw the movie ... But I do read & observe ... Allowing gas companies to pump unregulated chemicals & high pressure water into the earth to fracture the rock and make the gas 'slippery' , then extract the gas and return more chemicals into the earth ...reaping outrageous profits without any government regulation ... And then bitching about why your tap water is polluted or flammable ... Alrighty then, lets let big business tell us what is good for us ...

But there is regulations and industry standards????

JR ... If you are referring to fracking ... There may be 'industry standards ' set by the industry ... But at this point, to the best of my knowledge, there are no governement standards regulating the chemicals that they are allowed to pump into the earth ... Not only that, but the individual companies will not disclose the name of the chemicals sighting secrecy ...