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by AlwaysImprove » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:32 pm

GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:"The two communicated mostly through cellphone text messages or instant messaging on Facebook starting in 2011 through Jan. 13, police said. During that time, the two exchanged about 1,400 text messages, according to a probable cause affidavit."

I'm sorry but shame on her parents for not paying attention!!! That coach shouldn't have even had her cell phone number, she's 13!!!
ETA: Oh gosh, I didn't finish reading....

"During a traveling softball tournament, Jones allegedly asked the girl to stay overnight in his room. The girl also told Jones that she knew he took pictures of her while she was sleeping."

Mom should be arrested too, child endangerment.


Most, if not all coaches have the cell phone numbers of their ball players ... This is how people communicate ... Should a coach not have the home phone number ? The address ? I send out mass texts to my players about practice being inside, outside, canceled ... As well as their parents if they want the texts ... Players text me to let me know they have to stay after for tutoring and will be late ... They aren't feeling well and will miss practice ... A player text me last evening to remind me to bring something to practice today ( nuitrition for athletes info ) ...

Sure sounds like these peeps were dirtbags ... But being able to get in touch with players and visa versa is not out of line ...

For me, it is just a rule that I obey. I never reply to a girl, nor communicate in a one on one fashion. State the rule up front from the first practice. Follow up with a reminder or two in the first 10 practices.

She sends me, as the only recipient, a text about being late, i reply to her and her mother. After a bit of training the girls will only ever send you a text that already includes at least one other person (teammate, parents,etc.).

She calls me, I will ask her if her mom is around, state that I have a question. Sometimes end up asking a non-sense question, but they get the idea. No one around I get off the phone.

Saves me a lot of trouble. Conversations may sometimes turn from how it is going ... to grades ... to long discussion about boyfriend ... to who knows what. Since there is always someone else involved, no worries about something coming up, and then have to backtrack and figure out how to deal with it.

Besides, I find not being their confidant refreshing. I am there to coach them. Help them use sports to grow as an individual, to learn some leadership skills. To grow up a bit using sport as an easy example of what they face in the world down the road. Saves me from the 'I let coach know I was going to be late for practice' as an excuse for why parents were not aware of something.

I have seen coach friends get involved in the most ludicrous of situations. Always starts out with an innocent conversation, then turns to a full blown issue. The coaches are never any good at actually doing much. They are always out of position, and often feel they would like to say something, but cannot, because they are being confided in.

Avoid all of that. Coach them some softball. Work with them to have the right group of people around them, parents, friends that they can go work on issues.
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by fastpitchdad05 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:47 pm

AlwaysImprove wrote:
GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:"The two communicated mostly through cellphone text messages or instant messaging on Facebook starting in 2011 through Jan. 13, police said. During that time, the two exchanged about 1,400 text messages, according to a probable cause affidavit."

I'm sorry but shame on her parents for not paying attention!!! That coach shouldn't have even had her cell phone number, she's 13!!!
ETA: Oh gosh, I didn't finish reading....

"During a traveling softball tournament, Jones allegedly asked the girl to stay overnight in his room. The girl also told Jones that she knew he took pictures of her while she was sleeping."

Mom should be arrested too, child endangerment.


Most, if not all coaches have the cell phone numbers of their ball players ... This is how people communicate ... Should a coach not have the home phone number ? The address ? I send out mass texts to my players about practice being inside, outside, canceled ... As well as their parents if they want the texts ... Players text me to let me know they have to stay after for tutoring and will be late ... They aren't feeling well and will miss practice ... A player text me last evening to remind me to bring something to practice today ( nuitrition for athletes info ) ...

Sure sounds like these peeps were dirtbags ... But being able to get in touch with players and visa versa is not out of line ...

For me, it is just a rule that I obey. I never reply to a girl, nor communicate in a one on one fashion. State the rule up front from the first practice. Follow up with a reminder or two in the first 10 practices.

She sends me, as the only recipient, a text about being late, i reply to her and her mother. After a bit of training the girls will only ever send you a text that already includes at least one other person (teammate, parents,etc.).

She calls me, I will ask her if her mom is around, state that I have a question. Sometimes end up asking a non-sense question, but they get the idea. No one around I get off the phone.

Saves me a lot of trouble. Conversations may sometimes turn from how it is going ... to grades ... to long discussion about boyfriend ... to who knows what. Since there is always someone else involved, no worries about something coming up, and then have to backtrack and figure out how to deal with it.

Besides, I find not being their confidant refreshing. I am there to coach them. Help them use sports to grow as an individual, to learn some leadership skills. To grow up a bit using sport as an easy example of what they face in the world down the road. Saves me from the 'I let coach know I was going to be late for practice' as an excuse for why parents were not aware of something.

I have seen coach friends get involved in the most ludicrous of situations. Always starts out with an innocent conversation, then turns to a full blown issue. The coaches are never any good at actually doing much. They are always out of position, and often feel they would like to say something, but cannot, because they are being confided in.

Avoid all of that. Coach them some softball. Work with them to have the right group of people around them, parents, friends that they can go work on issues.


Good stuff, AI...thanks.

This makes sense as much for the player as it does for the coach.
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by BigPeaches » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:19 am

GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:"The two communicated mostly through cellphone text messages or instant messaging on Facebook starting in 2011 through Jan. 13, police said. During that time, the two exchanged about 1,400 text messages, according to a probable cause affidavit."

I'm sorry but shame on her parents for not paying attention!!! That coach shouldn't have even had her cell phone number, she's 13!!!
ETA: Oh gosh, I didn't finish reading....

"During a traveling softball tournament, Jones allegedly asked the girl to stay overnight in his room. The girl also told Jones that she knew he took pictures of her while she was sleeping."

Mom should be arrested too, child endangerment.


Most, if not all coaches have the cell phone numbers of their ball players ... This is how people communicate ... Should a coach not have the home phone number ? The address ? I send out mass texts to my players about practice being inside, outside, canceled ... As well as their parents if they want the texts ... Players text me to let me know they have to stay after for tutoring and will be late ... They aren't feeling well and will miss practice ... A player text me last evening to remind me to bring something to practice today ( nuitrition for athletes info ) ...

Sure sounds like these peeps were dirtbags ... But being able to get in touch with players and visa versa is not out of line ...


You text 13 year olds? This girl was 13 when this started. To me, at 13 years old, any communication concerning softball should be directed to the parents, not the kid. It's the parents that have to get them there anyway. I might can see texting them when they are 16 or older and drive themselves, but not younger then that.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:53 am

BigPeaches wrote:
GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:"The two communicated mostly through cellphone text messages or instant messaging on Facebook starting in 2011 through Jan. 13, police said. During that time, the two exchanged about 1,400 text messages, according to a probable cause affidavit."

I'm sorry but shame on her parents for not paying attention!!! That coach shouldn't have even had her cell phone number, she's 13!!!
ETA: Oh gosh, I didn't finish reading....

"During a traveling softball tournament, Jones allegedly asked the girl to stay overnight in his room. The girl also told Jones that she knew he took pictures of her while she was sleeping."

Mom should be arrested too, child endangerment.


Most, if not all coaches have the cell phone numbers of their ball players ... This is how people communicate ... Should a coach not have the home phone number ? The address ? I send out mass texts to my players about practice being inside, outside, canceled ... As well as their parents if they want the texts ... Players text me to let me know they have to stay after for tutoring and will be late ... They aren't feeling well and will miss practice ... A player text me last evening to remind me to bring something to practice today ( nuitrition for athletes info ) ...

Sure sounds like these peeps were dirtbags ... But being able to get in touch with players and visa versa is not out of line ...


You text 13 year olds? This girl was 13 when this started. To me, at 13 years old, any communication concerning softball should be directed to the parents, not the kid. It's the parents that have to get them there anyway. I might can see texting them when they are 16 or older and drive themselves, but not younger then that.



Yes, I text 13 year olds who play HS Softball ... They need to know if there is a change in practice plans ... If there is time for a school announcement, that is how it is done as well ... Parents are on the mass text list also, if they want ... 13 14 15 16 17 18 YO text me as well to let me know something pertaining to softball ... Staying after for tutoring etc as previously mentioned ...
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by Vess Express » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:28 am

GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:
GIMNEPIWO wrote:
BigPeaches wrote:"The two communicated mostly through cellphone text messages or instant messaging on Facebook starting in 2011 through Jan. 13, police said. During that time, the two exchanged about 1,400 text messages, according to a probable cause affidavit."

I'm sorry but shame on her parents for not paying attention!!! That coach shouldn't have even had her cell phone number, she's 13!!!
ETA: Oh gosh, I didn't finish reading....

"During a traveling softball tournament, Jones allegedly asked the girl to stay overnight in his room. The girl also told Jones that she knew he took pictures of her while she was sleeping."

Mom should be arrested too, child endangerment.


Most, if not all coaches have the cell phone numbers of their ball players ... This is how people communicate ... Should a coach not have the home phone number ? The address ? I send out mass texts to my players about practice being inside, outside, canceled ... As well as their parents if they want the texts ... Players text me to let me know they have to stay after for tutoring and will be late ... They aren't feeling well and will miss practice ... A player text me last evening to remind me to bring something to practice today ( nuitrition for athletes info ) ...

Sure sounds like these peeps were dirtbags ... But being able to get in touch with players and visa versa is not out of line ...


You text 13 year olds? This girl was 13 when this started. To me, at 13 years old, any communication concerning softball should be directed to the parents, not the kid. It's the parents that have to get them there anyway. I might can see texting them when they are 16 or older and drive themselves, but not younger then that.



Yes, I text 13 year olds who play HS Softball ... They need to know if there is a change in practice plans ... If there is time for a school announcement, that is how it is done as well ... Parents are on the mass text list also, if they want ... 13 14 15 16 17 18 YO text me as well to let me know something pertaining to softball ... Staying after for tutoring etc as previously mentioned ...



I have a 14 yo, and I don't see anything wrong with a coach sending out times, schedules, etc to the players. Texting is something that can be monitored. However, a coach talking to a player on the phone for an extended amount of time would raise a red flag with me.

Also, I would not allow my dd to be gone for extended periods of time, and not know where she was. It seemed like this girl spent quite a bit of time with this guy, and yet, the parent never noticed anything strange was going on?
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by as the world turns » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:42 pm

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Sorry, my bad, U.S. Senators are exempt. Especially if they are Democrats, thanks to the MSM for reporting on this.
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by CatWoman » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:46 pm

We have now spent about 12 years in softball (6 in rec and 6 in TB) and our dd has never experienced any kind of perverted behaviour by a coach. The coaches have all followed a protocol similar to that which AI describes. Every red flag in the world would go up if all of a sudden a coach (or teacher or minister) wanted her to spend the night at their house. On a trip, were there no other parents around to notice that a girl was sleeping in his room? Didn't one of the other girls tell a parent that a player left to sleep in his room? It sounds like the relationships (both of the coaches) went on for quite some time and that will make it much harder for the girls to put their lives back but I can't help but feel that these relationships should have been discovered much sooner. This is not a blame the victim thing, this is a "where were the adults?" thing.
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by rdelawder12 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:07 pm

a group text is different than a direct person to person text! Never a true reason to be texting directly to a "child" below the age of 16 no matter who the coach is Male or Female! These girls are not your friends, they are players on a "team", which is why GROUP texting is OK, JMO!
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by DP3816 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:42 am

Some people think I'm right some will think I'm wrong. I check my kids computer activity, I look at their phones when their asleep, I also search their rooms on a regular basis. Did this to my older kids and now I do it to my younger kids. Some people tell me you have to trust your kids. I do trust my kids, who I don't trust is the rest of the world. I'm not worried about my kids finding out about my surveillance activities because I'm good at it. They won't find out until it to my advantage to let them know I do. Bottom line it is the job of parents to keep their kids safe and that is a job I take to heart. I'm not ashamed of using any means to keep them safe and free of harm.
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