Over played, over used and abused

[DonnieS]

Mine shuts down from softball - and goes to the beach, surfs, swims , chases boys, plays volleyball, etc. Then the next day, she plays whatever she wants to play. I swear to God, the way some people talk about this hated game of ours, you make your kid punch a f time clock when they walk on the field. Its a game - it really is - dont let it turn into anything else. I have said it here many times -and its happened - I hear second hand that the girls that played for me say that our years together on the fields were the most fun times of their lives. What do yall's say ?

[Sam]

Why does there have to be fault in that situation? Some things just happen. Its like a transmission failing on a two year old car that is driven 12,000 miles per year. That is the manufacturer's fault. If a transmission fails in a two year old car that is driven 50,000 mile per year, it is the owner's fault.

So, in regards to your question, its really a warranty issue.

Of course it's somebody's fault. It's preventable therefore, according to you, it's somebody's fault.
That was a mind boggling analogy. Transmissions don't get stronger the more you work them.

I just hope the parents that follow your advice (or advice like) don't end up wishing they hadn't but some have to learn the hard way I suppose. You will never hear those parents here and believe me there are more than you think.

I am all for giving players a few months off for R&R. Just be careful and watch her close. You don't want to end up being that parent saying, “Why did I do that.....

Don't read well, do ya? The analagy was about fault and was actually a great one.

Maybe you can explain the detriment a player receives from getting some time off....as all you have brought up is a case where the kid DOES take adequate time off and still suffers an overuse injury.....OK.....so if she played more, she wouldn't have gotten hurt? Is that your hypothesis? Do the math.

If it is so good for the players to go year round, why don't pro baseball players do it? Or football players? Or basketball players? Or fill in the blank players? They take time off because the body needs time to recover from the rigors of a full season. They do it for their health. The NFL owners are trying to add games....more money for them....more money for the players....no brainer. The players union is fighting it because of the damage the game causes physically to their constituents.

To all the parents out there.....take my advice and the chances are that your kid won't suffer an overuse injury.....take Battle's advice and you will likely become one of the growing number of parents watching their kids endure major surgeries to repair overuse injuries that likely could have been avoided. You can look in the mirror, as I do, and take responsibility for your kid's pain.

[ontheblack]

Wasted energy Sam. Battle never engages in any kind of dialogue on HB that is based on logic, nor does he ever approach a subject with an open mind. His sole objective is to engage in an adversarial battle for the sake of the fight.

[Sam]

Oh, parents, I forgot one thing. According to Battle, something terrible....though yet unnamed....will happen to your kid if you provide the time off that I am advocating. It is life changing and horrible......whatever it is.

[NORCALGOLD]

Mine shuts down from softball - and goes to the beach, surfs, swims , chases boys, plays volleyball, etc. Then the next day, she plays whatever she wants to play. I swear to God, the way some people talk about this hated game of ours, you make your kid punch a f time clock when they walk on the field. Its a game - it really is - dont let it turn into anything else. I have said it here many times -and its happened - I hear second hand that the girls that played for me say that our years together on the fields were the most fun times of their lives. What do yall's say ?

Donnie, Nice to hear your kid gets to play high level softball and still take time to do other things in life. Thats the way it should be. I remember telling a coach my DD wouldn't be at the games Saturday because of a school dance. He said thats fine she will have 100's of softball games in her life and only a few school dances in her life enjoy. But we expect to see her brite and early Sunday morning.
Parents should'nt worry about a players passing ahead of their DD when they take a break. Just remember the cream always rises to the top as long as you work hard , not over work.

[DonnieS]

Mine shuts down from softball - and goes to the beach, surfs, swims , chases boys, plays volleyball, etc. Then the next day, she plays whatever she wants to play. I swear to God, the way some people talk about this hated game of ours, you make your kid punch a f time clock when they walk on the field. Its a game - it really is - dont let it turn into anything else. I have said it here many times -and its happened - I hear second hand that the girls that played for me say that our years together on the fields were the most fun times of their lives. What do yall's say ?

Donnie, Nice to hear your kid gets to play high level softball and still take time to do other things in life. Thats the way it should be. I remember telling a coach my DD wouldn't be at the games Saturday because of a school dance. He said thats fine she will have 100's of softball games in her life and only a few school dances in her life enjoy. But we expect to see her brite and early Sunday morning.
Parents should'nt worry about a players passing ahead of their DD when they take a break. Just remember the cream always rises to the top as long as you work hard , not over work.

Neither DD2 nor DD1 ever missed a prom, a homecoming dance, but they were snake bit when it came to Halloween - by far the most important showcase of the year, Ronald McDonald always happened to be on the night they wanted to be trick or treating. Guess what year, the dang day came in the middle of the week - this year - when they could have gone to parties or whatever. This year, up at school, I have NO DOUBT that they will be staying in studying, attending bible study or going to choir practice. We atttended lots of showcases over the years from Denver to Dallas to down here - but Ronald McDonald up in Houston was where everything happened for both girls.

The thing that worried me a lot over the years was DD2's volleyball - it started up in late August, and usually finished up in mid November. The thing that worried me about it was - that it worked - and worked very hard the same piece of her body that she used to pitch - her right shoulder. So she did take off from most of the travel ball - the fall ball stuff - but she was still working that shoulder. Maybe it was slightly different - but in my opinion, it really wasnt rest. Her little high school team would play during this period - this was the off- season team - that before our adventures started, I coached, but the last couple of years some local dads coached. They played a few round robins with area jucos and local travel teams, def not hard core. I wasnt around for a lot of the last two years for all of it - but she seasoned it ok.

A girl I thought was the best local talent we had ruined her shoulder because she was also a stud at vball - and didnt throw a pitch during vball - then when that season ended , jumped right into pitching again, the season was her junior year, and apparently her dad pushed her (he was a certifiable nut case) to pitch like nearly every game the first tournament. This would have been probably a thanksgiving or early december tournament - and that was all she wrote. That weekend - ended her chance at playing vball or softball at the next level. What DD2 and I noticed is that if she played a vball game with her high school team, almost for sure she was mush for pitching - so it gave the other pitcher on the h/s team some circle time.

[Battle]

I am all for giving players a few months off for R&R. Just be careful and watch her close. You don't want to end up being that parent saying, “Why did I do that.....

Don't read well, do ya? The analagy was about fault and was actually a great one.

Maybe you can explain the detriment a player receives from getting some time off....as all you have brought up is a case where the kid DOES take adequate time off and still suffers an overuse injury.....OK.....so if she played more, she wouldn't have gotten hurt? Is that your hypothesis? Do the math.

Again, mind boggling but this time it's laughable. Who can't read?

I'm not against time off but since you asked what's the detriment. I know a dad that listened to someone like you and thought he was pushing his kid too hard. He didn't want to end up being "that" dad so he shut it down. The kid found other things to do and they wasn't so good. Got in a lot of trouble and never came back until the kid was about 25. To this day, the kid apologizes to the dad for not listening to him back then and to this day the Dad apologizes to the kid for listening to extremists. The kid was really good at sports too. The cream does rise to the top but just not this time. There's one...There's more...
A kid shuts down as you described to play other sports...Volleyball...Hurts her shoulder during the season...Softball starts and 2 weeks into the season, she reinjures...Goes to the therapist and is asked how it happened...Guess what she said...yep...softball injury. That damn parent should be in shackles.

If you are going to listen to Sam's advice, that's fine but watch her close as I've said. Make sure his extemist advice is conducive to your area.

As far as OTB's comments, I do argue what I feel and maybe a little too much but he will never stand up against the majority in a post unless it's about PGF insurance of course.

[ontheblack]

I march to my own drum beat, Battle. I dont get where you are coming from though. What is there to watch?

Do you think a kid is mysteriously think a kid will forget how to play in 3 months? Some kids run track and dont mess with softball at all during the HS season. The fastest kid I ever coached didnt touch a bat from Feb thru Memorial Day. !st week of June rolls around and her OBP the first tourney is 750.

My kid used to play volleyball. Biggest mistake she made was giving that up thinking she had to play fall FP.

What exactly are you suggesting parents watch out for if there kids take time off? I have seen kids out for 6 months with ACL injuries and come back fine. Why is that any different than just shutting it down for a bit?

What exactly is your warning?

[Battle]

I march to my own drum beat, Battle. I dont get where you are coming from though. What is there to watch?

Do you think a kid is mysteriously think a kid will forget how to play in 3 months? Some kids run track and dont mess with softball at all during the HS season. The fastest kid I ever coached didnt touch a bat from Feb thru Memorial Day. !st week of June rolls around and her OBP the first tourney is 750.

My kid used to play volleyball. Biggest mistake she made was giving that up thinking she had to play fall FP.
What exactly are you suggesting parents watch out for if there kids take time off? I have seen kids out for 6 months with ACL injuries and come back fine. Why is that any different than just shutting it down for a bit?

What exactly is your warning?

First answer this...Why do you feel it was her biggest mistake?

[Ovr Weight N Bald]

I know a dad that listened to someone like you and thought he was pushing his kid too hard. He didn't want to end up being "that" dad so he shut it down. The kid found other things to do and they wasn't so good. Got in a lot of trouble and never came back until the kid was about 25. To this day, the kid apologizes to the dad for not listening to him back then and to this day the Dad apologizes to the kid for listening to extremists. The kid was really good at sports too.

I think what battle is trying to say is the kids will get into drugs the wrong crowd etc... if you shut them down n give them time off.... Sounds to me like the guy you know should be apologizing daily for ignoring his daughter because she wasn't playing softball. Just because she is not on the dirt doesn't mean you quit communicating and paying attention to them.

My question is who is to blame here? I know 3 kids who are out right now all great players between 11 and 13 who are out with over use injuries. 1 a pitcher who is a stud and has been road daily since 9 and now has a shoulder so tore up she might not pitch again. The other 2 are less serious if you could call surgery at 12 do to over use less serious. All of these players played more than 150 games in Spring and Summer. Again who is to blame tho. ASA for not having down time for tourney directors? Tourney directors for having tourneys on every corner every week? Coaches scheduling to many tourneys and not rotating players in chase of that plastic? Or the parent who allows their DD to be ran into the ground until she needs Surgeries to fix the problems.