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TNL Coach Released - Mistrial Declared

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by Skarp » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:02 pm

GDad wrote:
Jitterbug wrote:Did I just read that a parent said they had no problem and still do not have a problem with their 16/17 year at the time and now a senior in college discussing personal situations with a softball coach. I know many parents require their children's teachers to be their parent and raise them but now they are allowing thier children to go to a softball coach to be a parent. Maybe I am getting to old but parenting is parenting not being your child's best friend. Using the excuse that kids do not talk with their parents is a lame excuse and requires some further discussion as to why parents do not really want to take the responsibility of being parents and permit outside people to raise their kids. Especially a 37 year old man who has no girlfriend.


The TNL organization is like an extended family. And the coach is very close to many of the players - especially the older players who played all the way from 12U or 14U through 18 Gold and are now playing in college. The coach is friends with many of their college coaches, accompanied some of the players on recruiting trips, etc.

I am not saying this is the best scenario for other players or parents, but for our extended TNL family, it has been a environment that we have accepted, enjoyed and promoted.

And, yes, parenting is parenting. But, you have to agree that girls in the 15-18 year range go through a lot of difficult phases with playing, school, friends, family, etc. I bet there are plenty of things your daughter has not discussed with you, but has discussed with a close friend.

Our coach is a close friend to many of the players and parents. Simple as that. If he had been pulling shit with the players that was out of bounds and inappropriate, we would have eventually found out about it.

Again, I sat through every day of his trial. The victim was caught in numerous lies during her testimony, the Police Detective did a sloppy and cursory investigation and the DA's office should have never brought the case to trial. Doesn't the fact that the Deputy DA came to the defense after the FIRST witness - the Police Detective - and offered a plea bargain knocking the two felony counts down to a misdemeanor - indicate how weak the evidence in their case was?

All I can say is, good thing that none of you were called to the stand and questioned about the S.O.P. of the coach and organization. You aren't painting a very pretty picture.

And without passing any judgment on Facione, isn't what you describe precisely how child predators always operate? They go out of their way to help the kids and their families, in order to place themselves above any suspicion. And how many families have thought the same thing--that if anything was going on they would have learned about it? There's a reason these guys don't get caught. Think of priests who abused hundreds without anyone ever suspecting.

Whether or not Facione is innocent, you guys are absolute fools for placing that kind of trust in him...and even worse fools for betting your kids on it.
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by FPF1234 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:55 pm

Whether or not Facione is innocent, you guys are absolute fools for placing that kind of trust in him...and even worse fools for betting your kids on it.


Why if he is innocent?
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by GDad » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:04 pm

Once again.... there was NO text of the text messages available. Therefore, nothing to be thrown out.

Several players from the team testified as to the type and frequency of text messages they exchanged with the coach. Nothing incriminating... The victim's statements regarding the type of text messages she received from the coach are suspect - her credibility as a witness was blown wide open on the witness stand.

Is it a good idea for (minor age) players to visit the coach at his home to hang out, watch movies and shoot the shit? No, not really. If only because it opens up the possibility of the coach being accused of inappropriate behavior.... But, again, the TNL family is different than most other softball clubs - the players - primarily the older ones that had played together for years - and the coach were a tight group. The parents knew about the girls visiting the coach and were OK with it - in my case - I dropped off and picked up my daughter from his house on many occasions before she got her drivers license...
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by GDad » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:05 pm

FPF1234 wrote:
Whether or not Facione is innocent, you guys are absolute fools for placing that kind of trust in him...and even worse fools for betting your kids on it.


Why if he is innocent?


It has been our choice, not yours. Live your life the way you choose.... not for me to judge how you parent or live your life and vice versa...
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by artomatic » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:13 pm

GDad wrote:
FPF1234 wrote:
Whether or not Facione is innocent, you guys are absolute fools for placing that kind of trust in him...and even worse fools for betting your kids on it.


Why if he is innocent?


It has been our choice, not yours. Live your life the way you choose.... not for me to judge how you parent or live your life and vice versa...


hhhmmm...well, you're right about that...the road your life takes you down is related to the choices you make...

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by anonlooker » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:15 pm

I'm still waiting for someone to post what evidence was presented that might have led 4 jurors to find him guilty. Anyone... anyone... Bueller?

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by Sam » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:23 pm

GDad wrote:Once again.... there was NO text of the text messages available. Therefore, nothing to be thrown out.

Several players from the team testified as to the type and frequency of text messages they exchanged with the coach. Nothing incriminating... The victim's statements regarding the type of text messages she received from the coach are suspect - her credibility as a witness was blown wide open on the witness stand.

Is it a good idea for (minor age) players to visit the coach at his home to hang out, watch movies and shoot the shit? No, not really. If only because it opens up the possibility of the coach being accused of inappropriate behavior.... But, again, the TNL family is different than most other softball clubs - the players - primarily the older ones that had played together for years - and the coach were a tight group. The parents knew about the girls visiting the coach and were OK with it - in my case - I dropped off and picked up my daughter from his house on many occasions before she got her drivers license...


The text wasn't available because the judge threw them out. The player saved her text messages...both received from Falcione and sent to him.....the judge threw them out....for what reason, I don't know. That decision killed the DA's case....and they still had 4 guilty votes.

Don't give me the TNL family crap....you guys are the laughing stock of travel ball...you over pay for the right to have your kids shag BP for the gold team. You guys had a couple of good teams with Craig, but thats it.....
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by anonlooker » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:29 pm

GDad wrote:Once again.... there was NO text of the text messages available. Therefore, nothing to be thrown out.

Several players from the team testified as to the type and frequency of text messages they exchanged with the coach. Nothing incriminating... The victim's statements regarding the type of text messages she received from the coach are suspect - her credibility as a witness was blown wide open on the witness stand.

[b]Is it a good idea for (minor age) players to visit the coach at his home to hang out, watch movies and shoot the shit? No, not really. If only because it opens up the possibility of the coach being accused of inappropriate behavior.... But, again, the TNL family is different than most other softball clubs - the players - primarily the older ones that had played together for years - and the coach were a tight group. The parents knew about the girls visiting the coach and were OK with it - in my case - I dropped off and picked up my daughter from his house on many occasions before she got her drivers license...


Talk about credibility being blown! Read what you just wrote!

So after your daughter got her license she pretty much came and went on her own?

And this was systemic with minor girls throughout the organization for years?

And not one of you ever thought that is strange behavior in a single man? Or wrong? Or possibly dangerous? Only, "not really a good idea." And yet it continued. Is it still going on?

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by DonnieS » Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:35 pm

GDad wrote:Is it a good idea for (minor age) players to visit the coach at his home to hang out, watch movies and shoot the shit? No, not really. If only because it opens up the possibility of the coach being accused of inappropriate behavior.... But, again, the TNL family is different than most other softball clubs - the players - primarily the older ones that had played together for years - and the coach were a tight group. The parents knew about the girls visiting the coach and were OK with it - in my case - I dropped off and picked up my daughter from his house on many occasions before she got her drivers license...


GDad, you really need to step back and take another look. If I have ever heard of someone who is so close to the trees that they cant see the forest, its you guys. What you are doing is dangerous, it doesnt matter who the guy is.
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by Tucson » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:20 pm

What happened to the accusation, that the young lady had caught an STD from the coach? Did Falcione have to produce medical evidence? Did she?

And originally, the newspaper ran pictures of a town home, where the bedrooms were upstairs. Did she describe the bedroom?
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