Why are so few berths being given at PGF Qualifiers?

[Trophy Hunter]

Well this is just my opinion and I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure except for the people at PGF..... But IMO the reason for so few berths is that the Premier nationals is a southern california based tournament so most of the southern california teams will want to go to it. Therefor there not giving out many berths so they will be able to give more invites to the so cal teams that dont qualify on there own. I mean you have to remember how would it look if you gave all the berths away and some of the better so cal teams didn't make it because of having a bad weekend and didn't qualify. PGF wouldn't look very good to their so cal brothers. There's only I believe around 10 berths in california and less than that in AZ. So you have a 64 team national tournament that is going to have 90% or better so cal teams in attendance and its called a national tournament?

FYI out of the 29 teams that are registered so far for PGF in the HS division only 11 are from SoCal, 4 are from NorCal, 14 are from other states
I haven't taken a math class in a while but i don't think that is 90%
Last year 22 out of 67 teams were from SoCal. So there again your contention of it being just for SoCal teams does not hold up.

When you add in the other age groups, my math says that 50+ % comes from one state versus all the other states. That's not including the surrounding states. Am I correct?
If PGF wants more western teams in their national, that's their right but tell it like it is.

I hope you are not a defense attorney. Your arguments are so weak your clients would all fry.

Deservedly, I'm sure.

[Battle]

Spaz, I edited because I didn't want to be accused of hi jacking this thread. I was really asking an honest unbiased question and was interested in what YOU thought. I was going to wait and ask at another time but since you brought it up...Here it is again...

If you had the choice, where would you hold ASA nationals specifically? If you had one choice for all ages, name city and state for the rotations. In other word, "anywhere there is an airport" is not a choice.
How many teams would you put in each age division?

[Battle]

Well this is just my opinion and I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure except for the people at PGF..... But IMO the reason for so few berths is that the Premier nationals is a southern california based tournament so most of the southern california teams will want to go to it. Therefor there not giving out many berths so they will be able to give more invites to the so cal teams that dont qualify on there own. I mean you have to remember how would it look if you gave all the berths away and some of the better so cal teams didn't make it because of having a bad weekend and didn't qualify. PGF wouldn't look very good to their so cal brothers. There's only I believe around 10 berths in california and less than that in AZ. So you have a 64 team national tournament that is going to have 90% or better so cal teams in attendance and its called a national tournament?

FYI out of the 29 teams that are registered so far for PGF in the HS division only 11 are from SoCal, 4 are from NorCal, 14 are from other states
I haven't taken a math class in a while but i don't think that is 90%
Last year 22 out of 67 teams were from SoCal. So there again your contention of it being just for SoCal teams does not hold up.

When you add in the other age groups, my math says that 50+ % comes from one state versus all the other states. That's not including the surrounding states. Am I correct?
If PGF wants more western teams in their national, that's their right but tell it like it is.

I hope you are not a defense attorney. Your arguments are so weak your clients would all fry.

LOL...other than 45% rather than 50%, where am I wrong? That's what "Am I correct" means.

[Battle]

Spaz, I edited because I didn't want to be accused of hi jacking this thread. I was really asking an honest unbiased question and was interested in what YOU thought. I was going to wait and ask at another time but since you brought it up...Here it is again...

If you had the choice, where would you hold ASA nationals specifically? If you had one choice for all ages, name city and state for the rotations. In other word, "anywhere there is an airport" is not a choice.
How many teams would you put in each age division?

Like I said previously I don't really care where it is. I have been all over the country, that's why its called travelball. It is all part of the experience.
As far as the number of teams 60-80 seems manageable, no more than 100.

I agree that 160 is too many but less than 100 is not enough except 18s IMO. I would like it to be 100-120 but opinions vary I suppose.

[fastpitchdad05]

Well this is just my opinion and I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure except for the people at PGF..... But IMO the reason for so few berths is that the Premier nationals is a southern california based tournament so most of the southern california teams will want to go to it. Therefor there not giving out many berths so they will be able to give more invites to the so cal teams that dont qualify on there own. I mean you have to remember how would it look if you gave all the berths away and some of the better so cal teams didn't make it because of having a bad weekend and didn't qualify. PGF wouldn't look very good to their so cal brothers. There's only I believe around 10 berths in california and less than that in AZ. So you have a 64 team national tournament that is going to have 90% or better so cal teams in attendance and its called a national tournament?

FYI out of the 29 teams that are registered so far for PGF in the HS division only 11 are from SoCal, 4 are from NorCal, 14 are from other states
I haven't taken a math class in a while but i don't think that is 90%
Last year 22 out of 67 teams were from SoCal. So there again your contention of it being just for SoCal teams does not hold up.

When you add in the other age groups, my math says that 50+ % comes from one state versus all the other states. That's not including the surrounding states. Am I correct?
If PGF wants more western teams in their national, that's their right but tell it like it is.

I hope you are not a defense attorney. Your arguments are so weak your clients would all fry.

LOL...other than 45% rather than 50%, where am I wrong? That's what "Am I correct" means.

Oh gee, I don't know...you think maybe he was replying to your pre-edited post?

[cruiserkid]

Perhaps there are less spots due to giving invites to a few teams who have done nothing to show they deserve an invite except the name on the jersey...maybe in certain age groups...just a guess:)

[Battle]

Oh gee, I don't know...you think maybe he was replying to your pre-edited post?

Ummm...no tard. The edited part was written exactly like posted to Spaz so that wouldn't make sense. Then there is the quote button but I'll let you figure that one out, genius.

[ontheblack]

Battle,

You have strong opinions and have made statements about something you have never experienced. Many of us have been to both. They are very different at different age groups. At 10s and 12s I would definitely prefer ASA over PGF. In California, 12u ASA States will be a bigger event than 12u PGF this year. On the other end of the spectrum is 18G, and after watching that last year in San Diego, ASA might as well admit they have lost the division with over 90% of the top teams committed to PGF.

At 14s, for better or for worse, the game has changed and it's not as much about a national championship as college exposure. That edge is increasingly leaning towards PGF.

16s may be the only division where there is any semblance of parity, but 16s appears to be a different animal in many parts of the country outside of SoCal.

Each age group is different. Combining age groups to manipulate statistics is weak.

[fastpitchdad05]

Oh gee, I don't know...you think maybe he was replying to your pre-edited post?

Ummm...no tard. The edited part was written exactly like posted to Spaz so that wouldn't make sense. Then there is the quote button but I'll let you figure that one out, genius.

I read the pre-edited post and there was more to it then what you're saying, but nice try.

And I don't mind you calling me names. If I were you I'd be annoyed by me too. Getting owned on these boards over and over because you're a close-minded, half-witted ASA buttkisser has to be tough to take.

[Battle]

Oh gee, I don't know...you think maybe he was replying to your pre-edited post?

Ummm...no tard. The edited part was written exactly like posted to Spaz so that wouldn't make sense. Then there is the quote button but I'll let you figure that one out, genius.

I read the pre-edited post and there was more to it then what you're saying, but nice try.

And I don't mind you calling me names. If I were you I'd be annoyed by me too. Getting owned on these boards over and over because you're a close-minded, half-witted ASA buttkisser has to be tough to take.

No there wasnt. Why would I say that knowing that Spaz read it too? As usual, you have trouble with the truth.